Katy Montgomerie

He’s an idiot. And a misogynistic pig

He's a chonking great unit who does still look very much the strapping death metaller he was pre all this. Not a bad guitarist, apparently.

Tbf, he used to be genuinely funny a couple of years ago; I used to chuckle at his nonsense.

He's too cross post SC to be entertaining anymore.

Yes, please stop referring to him as ‘she/ her’ OP.

He posted about going for surgery on Twitter at the time, so this isn't confidential info.

Not read the full thread so I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this. Prior to about 7 or 8 years ago KM was fairly reasonable as far as TRAs go. Not very extreme and open to other ideas. I'd only noticed him because he's local to me.

Then he went to Europe for surgery. Since then he has changed, hardened, become more militant. I don't know if he's disappointed by the surgery, or by the fact that it doesn't change anything in how he moves through the world or is perceived by others. He's still not a woman.

I think his illusions were shattered once there was no way back.

As an XY woman, I would not enjoy being plotted on that graph at all!

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And the audience consisted of all the worst of the Scottish TRA's, including Big Beth who likes to threat women with violence.

There was this classic a couple of years ago - KM talking at Edinburgh Uni about why "gender critical is a hate movement". See, for instance, the section on dogwhistles: "gender criticals" as KM calls them are entirely motivated by wanting to ruin trans people's lives and any apparently reasonable concerns are simply codes for transphobia. He can't seem to conceive of any universe in which women don't want men in our spaces for reasons of privacy, dignity and safet and he appears obsessed with getting access to women's toilets. https://media.ed.ac.uk/media/Katy+MontgomerieA+On+combating+online+hate+and+the+gender-critical+movement/1_494hoevq

Yep

Same here! Blast from the past... (In my head, I hear the name in Glinner's voice 😂).

I believe that it is possible to work out which type of gonad that tissue is destined to be.

I have read numerous studies and papers referring to ‘streak ovary’ or streak testis tissue.

I'd be particularly sceptical if they were describing themselves as intersex.

Are these people doing their theses in gender studies or related fields? If so the scepticism becomes even more acute.

Are those ‘streak gonads’ testes or ovaries? Either way, and as you say, phenotype is to be considered. Obviously, phenotype is what I referred to when I mentioned ‘body parts’ .

I would expect a specialist to take everything into account and make a decision. Because a body that doesn’t produce testosterone to masculinise at all will need special consideration and likely specialised treatment. Also, If there are special specific laws and policies needed to protect this specific group they should have those.

Why should any group’s medical condition be used politically to destabilise established science? Particularly to leverage special privileges for a group of male people who don’t have a DSD where they do not have a body producing testosterone.

I know there is a brilliant post refuting the points, but sometimes it's worth looking in more detail, trying to understand the argument. Nobody should win with a poor hand just because they can bluff better than you. You claim not to understand but I think you will be able to see the flaw in the argument they are making enough not to have to give up when faced with the word salad.

If somebody tries to confound you by bringing out the bimodal distribution argument, just ask and think about what is on the axes. The x axis would have to be a continuum with people who are 100% female making up a tiny % on one end, next to people 1% female and 99% male, next to 2% female and 98% male.... There is absolutely no formula to calculate this measure, particularly one without offending almost everyone relying on sexist stereotypes, that you could put on that axis.

If this distribution was real, we would have to be able to place everyone along that axis, the y axis on a bimodal distribution is just count/proportion. Where would they put you, where would Katy put himself?

The irony is, that if there was such a measure, taking all the "variables" into account like height, face hair, shoulders etc. the transwomen would be normally distributed within the "male" curve.

Unfortunately some people with DSDs do very much push this argument, although I'm not sure how representative they are statistically. Quite a few of them identify as trans, too. Personally I think it's nonsense.

Rightly or wrongly, and only because of the recent TRA rubbish argument that trans might be a form of DSD of the brain or some such equally laughable shite, if a trans identified person told me they had a DSD, or made any link between DSDs and their trans identity I'd be very sceptical, and it is extremely unlike me to question someone's medical condition.

ETA: If any other person for whatever reason told me they had a DSD I'd have no reason to question it.