Katy Montgomerie

That list of signatories is interesting. Many are not aligned with any university, and of those who are the majority are in the US and Canada.

What they think about the British Equality Act is therefore pretty irrelevant.

Kellie Jean Mingshell

Sure, whatever.

She does research. Look I find it incredible you consider her to be smug when a lot of TERFs are intolerable and actually hateful anti feminist pick me. Kellie Jean Mingshell is absolutely awful I can't listen to her faux girlie voice and horrible opinions for more than a few minutes without feeling violent. People are only smug if you disagree with them. Rowling is intolerably patronising and for a writer doesn't seem to do much research into the things she rants about like the Hershfeld institute for example.

Haven't rtft but he's a bit dim and very me-me-me. One of those who views 'woman' as a costume anyone can wear and so is very confused whenever women point out that we're actual human beings in our own right.
He's one of those who spouts the "I'm biological therefore I'm a biological woman" without any sense of the absolute absurdity of it.

You can see why they don't want to become the poster children for what the whole of society acknowledges to be a failed medical experiment though.

This is true, but they're constantly banging on about abortion rights so why don't they focus on that?

It's no good saying you're capable of fighting more than one battle at once if you're losing all of them.

Well, they do have form for not managing to respect other countries' boundaries, don't they?

yep, most sensible people do this

They do have my sympathies as I think it's abhorrent these types of surgeries have been allowed to happen.

However I can't get past the fact they'll try to convince others to go down the same path. That to me, is evil.

I need to point out a skill tactic that many people, in all walks of life, work hard to achieve, which is to project an air of absolute sure-fire confidence in everything they say.

they make it sound extremely convincing and make sure their narrative is consistent.

Colin is one such example.

it gains followers and listeners and then new “truths and facts” start to be generated and repeated with confidence.

a new belief system is born.

About half of them, in fact.

Do all these US based "feminists" not have more important battles to be fighting in their own country?

Does it never occur to them that perhaps women in the UK have more rights than women in the US because we are actually better at feministing than they are?

Quite a few of the signatures are from other countries, e.g. the USA and Ireland. The UK’s laws are none of their business.

Yeah, if he weren't such a knob (irony klaxon) I'd feel sorry for him.

Imagine having your healthy penis amputated only to find that still no one believes you are a woman.

He's an insufferable man who I think is really regretting having his penis chopped off.

The problem with these men is they've committed 💯 and there's really no going back.

That happened in 2020, I'm afraid.

https://medium.com/arc-digital/mathgate-or-the-battle-of-two-plus-two-ed4af5f32933

I'm now predicting a rush of mathematicians claiming that 2+2 does not equal 4.

"That is a binary answer and doesn't take into account personal preference"

We have seen quite a few 'trans' identifying people subsequently claim 'intersex' conditions.

In some cases it may be true.

In others, such as cases where men have fathered children and then claim to have chromosomal abnormalities that would mean it would be almost impossible for them to have fathered children, I am less convinced.

But then, up until yesterday, we had NHS Fife calling 'Intersex' a 'gender identity', so the powers that be have aided and abetted this situation, suggesting that 'intersex' is something one can identify into in accordance with an inner feeling.

And of course, we have some people with DSDs who are claiming they are the opposite sex - typically, we see this in sportspeople, namely males with DSDs claiming to be women and going on to make very lucrative careers in female sports.

"Do their arguments hold any weight"

None whatsoever. This isn't about performing a test to see if sex means biological sex. This is what the word means.

Doctors and biologists are as qualified to comment on that as supermarket trolley stackers.

I think that there are thought leaders such as ex-judge McCloud who have fed a whole lot of fear and given a whole lot of misinformation to people who are now repeating the soundbites.

And those repeating the soundbites may or may not realise that what they are repeating is misinformation.

It is hard to know who knows this is misinformation and who doesn't understand that it is misinformation, because so many people will use pseudoscientific theory to distort reality to fit their needs.

Bergdorff did that too. I saw a clip of him on Loose Women - who incidentally needs to take a long hard look at themselves - and he was saying how some protections of trans people had been removed after the SC ruling.
I don't understand why they want to lie. Why would they want to whip up hysteria? Or are they just so thick that's what they think? Either way it makes them seem more important so that's probably the reason.

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I like to listen to a range of arguments. Unfortunately KMs youtube discussion after the SC ruling had so many factual errors - eg confidently declared that based on the SC ruling TW would not be legally protected from discriminatory treatment regarding pay, and also that it was irrelevant to toilets - that it seemed a waste of time. I assume KM didn't bother to watch/read the ruling, yet is confidently telling trans viewers what the ruling means for their legal rights and how to respond to it - a disservice to them.