Katy Montgomerie

I wasn't aware that gender critical feminism was quite so dedicated toward policing other people's appearance and presentation and then having a tantrum when they reciprocate using your own tactics against you, but it definitely seems to be praxis for you.

Has there been another schism? If there's a new group chat, I haven't seen the contents of it yet so I'm a few weeks out of date.

I think I prefer the versions of feminism that revolve around mutual support and campaigning to end prejudice and abuse for all women, rather than perpetuating it. I don't think you're likely to find much of that on Kiwi Farms or similar sites though.

Anyway, I had no idea Kiwi Farms think Colin/Katy's a plonker.

His twitter feed convinced me.

No idea why our resident flutter by is suddenly so concerned about Col, either.

Montgomery is just another male person who seems to be convinced that they pass when they really don't. I can only assume it is because a group of people tell Montgomery that they pass.

It is like the twitter profile who tried to leverage taking their niece to the toilets as some kind of reason that they could not abide by the Supreme Court judgement. They also had a habit of posting images of JK Rowling on their profile as some kind of 'passing' gotcha, ie. when someone said that they could 'always tell' they posted a picture of JK Rowling up as if it was a clever gotcha but it was really just another misogynistic action. That person also seems to think they pass, but when you look at their photos, they don't even pass in photos.

There seems to be a group of these male people who fully believe they pass because they don't understand that female people are not about to tell them otherwise in person. Certainly not while those male people are in the female single sex provisions with them in any case. Those male people simply don't understand female reactions at all.

Yet you don't even consider women as human beings deserving of our sex based rights and spaces, yourself. So you are not one to talk about people not considering women to be full human beings deserving of respect or rights. That's right up your alley.

A huge subset of the online gaming community had a multi-year long screaming tantrum about a decade ago over the videogames industry pivoting toward considering women and minorities to be full human beings deserving of respect and inclusion in media and in-game content.

They employed the infamous dog-whistle 'it's about ethics in videogame journalism' as part of their rhetoric, but their actions spoke much louder than their words - harrassing and doxing multiple influential women working in the industry who dared to talk about the godawful prevailing attitudes.

You can trace the direct lineage of Musk-style techbro fascism and the rise of the 'alt-right' that shoed Trump into power the first time from it.

Brianna Wu was one of the main targets of the Gamergate abuse campaigns alongside Anita Sarkeesian. Brianna is not exactly a person I would describe as having covered herself in glory in the years since, especially recently, but that does not excuse the concerted years-long harassment campaigns that targeted her a decade ago.

I'm not deleting posts. Women on here as a rule don't report posts as it's a great way for everyone else to see the posts. It also means that any claims such as the ones Butterfly is making about my posts can be countered.

I made no personal attack against Butterfly.

I did not ask Butterfly if Butterfly is a Kiwi Farms user.

I have kept the screenshot of my last post as proof as stated in that post.

Name one single poster that has recommended that board.

Awww noooo! You’re disappointed?? How will we go on?

In response to @waitwhat23 who seems to have since deleted an unpleasant personal attack and asked me if I am a KF user:

I think I'd rather slowly gnaw my own arm off.

OP asked what Kiwi Farms was, so I told them.

I remain disappointed, though sadly not all that surprised, to see even a single poster on this board recommending the suicide-baiting eugenicist harassment nexus to others - and even doubling down to defend it, despite it still being banned by the UK for being so actively dangerous.

To be fair, they have a whole section on there discussing mumsnet I’ve heard. They seem to like us.

Oh no love, you’re confused. That’s Reddit. Kiwi farms is a cesspit, but at least they allow people to have opposing views. And as fas as I know… KF don’t have whole forums dedicated to porn.

@niadainud As you have no doubt guessed from the response above, KF is very popular with Gamergaters who were dogwhistling their way through their misogynistic gatekeeping tantrums over women and minorities daring to exist in the videogames industry a decade ago.

Awwww are you upset at them? I mean, you could say Reddit was a hate filled, porn obsessed site full of misogynistic arseholes who ban people who have differing views but if people want to go on there it’s up to them. And I think you’ll find the farmers hate everyone equally. Transpeople are not a special interest for them. From what I’ve seen, their specialty seems to be bringing to light all the secrets people want to keep hidden…. Looking at you Brianna Wu. The way I see it, don’t be a dick and you won’t get called out on it.

KF is KiwiFarms - a particularly caustic hate/harrassment site that grew out of 8chan (the godawful nazi-infested child-abuse hosting cesspit where the bonkers QAnon conspiracy loons first gained traction) in 2013.

Its user base generally focus their targeted stalking/doxxing and abuse campaigns toward trans, non-binary and neurodiverse people online and have amassed a horrifying death toll as a result of their (often successful) attempts to drive vulnerable people to suicide. Users openly compete toward this goal and ghoulishly celebrate upon receipt of confirmation.

The site is banned in the UK and a number of other countries due to its complete lack of redeeming features - it really is just a staging ground for systematic abuse for a membership who grew out of one of the most infamous and disgustingly evil child porn hosting forums on the internet.

From the way you post here and your display of at least some willingness to treat Katy Montgomerie like a human being, you seem like a person with an open mind who is still capable of compassion and empathy. I do not think Kiwi Farms will bring anything positive to your life, and I am horrified (though sadly not surprised) to see it being recommended by another poster here.

I cannot stress this enough - KF is a full mask-off eugenicist neo-nazi hate site that is so bad that it is outright banned in the UK

I would be quite alarmed by a woman - any woman - talking being blamed for 'making' someone feel violent.

Exactly the kind of disgusting misogyny we are fighting against.

People are only smug if you disagree with them.

What an odd claim - I agree with many people who are extremely smug, so you're wrong there!

I find it depressing that grown adults openly admit that tone of voice, or delivery, or presentation, affects whether they believe something to be factually true or not. But then you see who is voted into power and clearly it works.

You seem upset. Have you tried a nice sit down and a cup of tea? I mean is he upset too if I was defending a misogynist who dresses up as a woman and insults women

Oh dear, if you can't listen to her talk without feeling violent, does that mean you're one of the people who shows up to her events and then violently assaults people?

He's one of these men who really do believe that being a woman is just a collection of body parts and tropes that can be dressed up in or bolted on. Men like him don't see women as fully human and so why shouldn't he be able to have surgery, take hormones put on a dress and declare himself a woman with all the rights of a female, after all as a male shouldn't he be able to do as do and take what he wants from women, aren't they really only there to serve men? He can't see that how deeply misogynistic his attitudes to women are precisely because he is male. There is a deep and real problem with how males and patriarchal culture views women in an objectified and dehumanising way and the behaviour and attitudes of me like Montgomerie are one of the expressions of that dehumanisation and objectification of women.

He’s not as dim as he makes out - obviously he’s no towering intellect but he’s making disingenuous comments deliberately to get attention and troll women.

Nice try Katy.

No, he doesn't do his research. Research involves actual research, backed up by science and evidence.
He throws out accusations, exaggerations and unsubstantiated claims as some kind of gotcha, and then acts as if challenges to that comes from bigotry. This is the opposite of research.