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Katy Montgomerie

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niadainud · 24/07/2025 19:35

Just wondering what people think about her. I was sent a link by someone, and I do occasionally try to watch the views of pro-trans people for "balance", but I really struggled with this one.

I find her excessively pleased with herself, incoherent, ageist and of course prone to flinging around insults such as "TERF", "transphone" and "bigot" every few minutes.

I'm not quite sure what gives her the confidence to "diss" people like Helen Joyce, Richard Dawkins et al, as if they're idiots and she is some sort of intellectual giant.

She says things like this: "The UK's Supreme Court ruled on "biological sex", but they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. The "Gender Critical" position on biology is just factually wrong. Finally hundreds of experts in the field come together to call out all this anti-science rubbish"

Other than being trans herself, does she have any justifiable claim to the superior knowledge she purports to have?

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fromorbit · 26/07/2025 08:18

Agent Montgomerie is doing deep work for Operation Let them Speak.

He has grown ever more unhinged and absurd. Long may he shout over other Trans types who seem more reasonable.

Look at the reaction of the OP.

Lets give one of these TAs a chance - oh wait he is a massive twat with no solid arguments.

Lets post about it on Mumsnet.

Result everyone gets angrier and more dedicated to tearing this horror down. Agent Montgomerie has done it again.

Without guys like him and Willoughby and others it would have take far longer to undermine this thing.

outofdate · 26/07/2025 07:38

I am somewhat non- conforming and occasionally have been misgendered.
Guess what? I don’t fucking mind!!
As soon as I speak it’s 100% obvious that I am female.

Helleofabore · 26/07/2025 07:14

ButterflyHatched · 26/07/2025 00:19

You don't have to believe me. You are welcome to believe as many anti-trans conspiracy theories and fantastical stories as you wish, so long as you do not harm others.

I and many others can ask you to treat trans people with dignity and respect - it's up to you whether you do it, though.

What? Like allowing abusive male people to continue their abusive behaviour toward their victim by making their victim act as if a philosophical belief that doesn’t reflect material reality is in fact material reality? Just so you don’t get confused on this, demanding a victim refer to her abusers using female words when they are male people!

Like your full support of a male person posting images of JK Rowling as if they were pictures of him as a sick misogynist gotcha?

Like denying that a male person should disclose to a potential sex partner before engaging in a sex act that they are male?

Your very own admissions on this thread alone show that you, personally, don’t show people dignity and respect, yet you demand it be shown to you.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/07/2025 07:00

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:18

"I feel no threat from any trans person that might be in the toilets. I’ve never felt threatened by a trans person as it turns out.

The 69,958 thousand rapes that were reported between October 2023 and September 24 in the UK do slightly concern me, though.

91% of pеople prosecuted for sеxual offenses are cis men aged 18 plus. The biggest threat to cis women sadly comes from cis men.

Women are facing serious dangers not during boxing matches or from trans people needing a piss, but from actual violence that is carried out against them every week.

According to End Violence Against Women, every three days a woman is killed by a man
More than 100,000 girls are at risk and living with the consequences of FGM, forced marriage and honour based abuse

Kathryn Bromwich from the Guardian States that Trans people make up roughly 0.5% of the UK population and are twice as likely to be victims of crime than cis people
According to Home Office figures, this country has seen an increase in hate crimes towards trans people and cis women are supposed to focus on a threat we have yet to see manifest from a small minority of the country who are struggling to stay safe themselves."

-Kate Nash, GERM

You can't commit a hate crime against a woman unless she has a particular characteristic, for example if she is a lesbian or a Muslim or black.

Spray painting "I hate trannies" on a trans person's door is a hate crime but raping and murdering women because you hate women is not.

You can get two years longer in jail for committing exactly the same crime against a trans person compared to committing it against a woman.

So don't talk to me about hate crimes against trans people. I'm not interested.

Annoyedone · 26/07/2025 06:03

ButterflyHatched · 26/07/2025 00:19

You don't have to believe me. You are welcome to believe as many anti-trans conspiracy theories and fantastical stories as you wish, so long as you do not harm others.

I and many others can ask you to treat trans people with dignity and respect - it's up to you whether you do it, though.

I always treat transpeople with dignity and respect. Even though they do not accord thst same respect and dignity to women. I have a question. You seem very invested in allowing males with a trans identity to use women’s spaces. My question is…. Why should males with a trans identity be allowed in woman’s spaces and males without a trans identity be excluded? What is the material difference between these two groups of males that accords one entry and one not?

Shitstix · 26/07/2025 01:33

ButterflyHatched · 26/07/2025 00:19

You don't have to believe me. You are welcome to believe as many anti-trans conspiracy theories and fantastical stories as you wish, so long as you do not harm others.

I and many others can ask you to treat trans people with dignity and respect - it's up to you whether you do it, though.

Why don't you take a minute to think about why women's rights are considered anti-trans.

Is it because TRA is actually MRA and you don't care that you're trying to erode our rights.

How about you ask the men pretending to be us to show some respect. They're just men who are bored or unhappy wth their male self. They are NOT women.

ButterflyHatched · 26/07/2025 00:19

Annoyedone · 25/07/2025 23:18

To use the famous quote @ButterflyHatched if you tell me a man can become a woman, I won’t believe a single word you say on any other subject. Either you are lying or deluded.

You don't have to believe me. You are welcome to believe as many anti-trans conspiracy theories and fantastical stories as you wish, so long as you do not harm others.

I and many others can ask you to treat trans people with dignity and respect - it's up to you whether you do it, though.

Annoyedone · 25/07/2025 23:18

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 22:28

You tell me, you have eyes and can read as well?

To use the famous quote @ButterflyHatched if you tell me a man can become a woman, I won’t believe a single word you say on any other subject. Either you are lying or deluded.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 22:32

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 22:28

You tell me, you have eyes and can read as well?

Yes, and I don't believe a word of it. Because I wasn't born yesterday.

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 22:28

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 22:27

The made up incidents, you mean?

You tell me, you have eyes and can read as well?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 22:27

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 22:26

I don't think Glinner and the growing pile of evidence of embarrassing friendly fire incidents are able to support this claim.

The made up incidents, you mean?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 22:26

niadainud · 25/07/2025 22:19

91% of pеople prosecuted for sеxual offenses are cis men aged 18 plus. The biggest threat to cis women sadly comes from cis men.

Trans people make up roughly 0.5% of the UK population

I'm not entirely sure of the figures for cis women prosecuted for sexual offences, although I believe it's very low.

It would certainly be interesting to see how the remaining 9% is divided up.

Well fewer than 2% of sex offences are committed by women. So more than 7% has to be boys under 18 or trans identifying males.

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 22:26

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 22:09

The point is that men who dress like women and women who dress like men aren't easy to confuse.

I don't think Glinner and the growing pile of evidence of embarrassing friendly fire incidents are able to support this claim.

niadainud · 25/07/2025 22:19

91% of pеople prosecuted for sеxual offenses are cis men aged 18 plus. The biggest threat to cis women sadly comes from cis men.

Trans people make up roughly 0.5% of the UK population

I'm not entirely sure of the figures for cis women prosecuted for sexual offences, although I believe it's very low.

It would certainly be interesting to see how the remaining 9% is divided up.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 22:09

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:40

Not sure what wigs have to do with any of this, bad or otherwise?

The point is that men who dress like women and women who dress like men aren't easy to confuse.

NHSFifeStatementFinalFINALFinalVersionV9FINAL · 25/07/2025 22:04

What exactly is the issue with single-sex (and therefore mixed-gender) toilets? Surely if it was single-gender only, you run the risk of outing people's gender identity and exclude agender people?

RufustheFactualReindeer · 25/07/2025 21:53

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:11

I think you should tell that to the many nonconforming cis women who have reported how miserable it has been to use single sex facilities since the SC ruling gave every bigot in the country a green light to go out transvestigating to their heart's content

Ive been misgendered a number of times

they were wrong 🤷🏻

RufustheFactualReindeer · 25/07/2025 21:52

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 20:55

We should warn J K Rowling that it's misogynistic to police and nitpick other women's appearance immediately!

Where has she done that?

JKRismyPatronus · 25/07/2025 21:51

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:11

I think you should tell that to the many nonconforming cis women who have reported how miserable it has been to use single sex facilities since the SC ruling gave every bigot in the country a green light to go out transvestigating to their heart's content

Well, this nonconforming woman is very happy with the SC ruling. We just need everyone to follow the rules. Males, however they identify, need to stay out of female single sex spaces and then I would be overjoyed.

Annoyedone · 25/07/2025 21:44

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:38

You're really doubling down on the KF bit aren't you?

Huh? What KF bit? Just cos you were being bigoted and assuming people’s gender? What has that got to do with me, KF or anything but your prejudices? I’d suggest some calm reflection and some shadow work. It may help you heal.

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 21:35

Because female people with short hair being challenged about their right to use women's toilets is such a likely consequence of the Supreme Court saying that male people with bad wigs shouldn't use them, isn't it?

Not sure what wigs have to do with any of this, bad or otherwise?

Helleofabore · 25/07/2025 21:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 21:35

Because female people with short hair being challenged about their right to use women's toilets is such a likely consequence of the Supreme Court saying that male people with bad wigs shouldn't use them, isn't it?

Considering I was asked often enough in my youth if I was a male, even while waiting to use toilets, I would say that this is nothing new. In fact, women and girls have always used queries such as this to safeguard their single sex spaces.

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:38

Annoyedone · 25/07/2025 21:21

How to you know they were cis men you bigot? Did you assume their gender??? I don’t know, you’re pushing the boundaries now of transphobia.

You're really doubling down on the KF bit aren't you?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 21:35

ApplesinmyPocket · 25/07/2025 21:29

The latest memo which sprang up from men bitter and resentful about the SC clarification - "I know, let's go with, 'thousands of women now afraid to use their own toilets because no-one can tell what sex they are if they don't have long hair and a dress. That'll work!'"

No-one believes it, Butters. No-one, not even you.

Because female people with short hair being challenged about their right to use women's toilets is such a likely consequence of the Supreme Court saying that male people with bad wigs shouldn't use them, isn't it?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 21:32

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:11

I think you should tell that to the many nonconforming cis women who have reported how miserable it has been to use single sex facilities since the SC ruling gave every bigot in the country a green light to go out transvestigating to their heart's content

You mean the ones who are telling great big whoppers?