Katy Montgomerie

So you have a legitimate source for this claim? Post it then.

It's telling to me that you’re desperate for there to have been suicides to make your point, instead of being relieved it isn’t the concern you think it is.

I'm talking about Labour actually releasing the stats rather than the p-hacked books cooked up by the NHS chief enshittifier. Caroline Litman has evidence of multiple children who were deliberately excluded from the 2024 damage control doc, corroborated by GIDS staff whistleblowers last year.

So, we have clinicians who confirm that suicides have been weaponised and thankfully are not higher that those of the comorbid conditions that too often accompany the diagnosis of gender dysphoria, we have other evidence released by governments that confirm this, and we have testimony to the SCOTUS from an expert witness that confirms the numbers also.

Maybe posters will stop making misinformed posts about this specific topic as it is harmful.

Not only that but we also have the support of female people having to accept the additional abuse of using female language for their male abusers. We have the support of male people performing misogynistic acts. We have a significant distortion of what Helen Joyce has said and done. We have had the dramatic mischaracterisation of recognising male body cues. We have the hyperbolic usage of the word genocide by an organisation who cannot accept balancing of the needs of female people with the demands of male people and we ended with the weaponisation of suicide.

Gosh! The tactics haven’t improved by this poster. However, I think I have noticed that Montgomery has used similar tactics often enough too.

Oh look, they have:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust

Of course this is to be expected, given we always knew so-called “gender affirming care” was not a suicide prevention measure, as admitted by Strangio under cross examination by SCOTUS. There was no suicide epidemic that was “fixed” by GAC, it’s a myth perpetrated by people like you to justify body attainment goals to match children’s declared “gender identities”. It has subsequently been acknowledged by Dutch clinicians that “passing” has always been the goal outcome of sterilising children.

I had a debate with him once.

He thinks censorship is the same as the 'marketplace of ideas'.

I asked him how he would feel if it was his side being censored.

He said something like, he'd cross that bridge when he came to it.

Perhaps if Labour released the stats we'd be able to see the effect of denying gender affirming care to a generation of children.

They seem to have mysteriously gone to the same place as their membership stats, however.

Well, it prevents suicide by making life more liveable for those who are suicidally dysphoric.

Shame the evidence doesn’t back up such a claim. So all that effort for no benefit.

I don’t think of him at all really.

when I’ve encountered him online, it reinforces just how great it is not to think of Colin.

he’s quite the misogynist.

im interested in why you miss sex him OP?

Well, it prevents suicide by making life more liveable for those who are suicidally dysphoric.

It generally pays for itself after a few years in terms of quality of living, workplace productivity and income (and thus tax) brackets.

It allows people who experience gender incongruence to get on with living their lives in a way that is as congruent - within the constraints of current technology - as possible with their neurotype.

People aren't gametes, and nor are they solely gamete producers. Reductionist models that treat them as such are vile and inhumane. We do our best with what we can to help people who find themselves at the mercy of the crueller legacies of our evolutionary past.

I agree with Helen Joyce.

Perhaps you could explain to us heretics what 'gender affirming care' is intended to achieve?

What exactly is being affirmed? Why do you think people's bodies need to be altered to fit some illusion in their heads that their bodies should resemble the opposite sex? What is the actual purpose of this medical 'treatment'? It results in individuals being sterilised and having impaired sexual function as well as all sorts of other problems due to messing around with hormones and complications of major surgery. What on earth is it for?

I can see all the negative outcomes, but what are the positives? There don't appear to be any.

Maybe start with the trans identifying ones first, or the ones who have been vocal supporters of trans ideology, then it might only take a few weeks to list them all, which will be just about when Butters flutters back to the forum he constantly claims is terrible.

Reading porn on a train where anyone could see is creepy enough; reading child porn in any context is horrifying but the fact she did it on a train is especially😬

This explains the train incident in case anyone is tempted to take Butterfly's rantings at face value.

mailchi.mp/sex-matters/memo-2024-9?ref=thehelenjoyce.com

She was 'caught' on a train 'openly reading' - that's very strange terminology.

Reader’s Note.

The ‘exterminationist’ hyperbole that Helen Joyce was accused of relates to a wish that people, particularly children, receive excellent mental health care before receiving life limiting and potentially life shortening treatments to make their bodies fit their philosophical belief about their personal identity. Particularly given the lack of evidence that these treatments improve long term mental or physical health.

It is nothing like this poster has framed it.

Nor is this accusation of porn. Helen Joyce is a journalist and was researching an article at the time. However, if you wish to take a male poster’s view on this, that is your choice. Remembering of course, the poster has shown just what they personally support as per this thread.

As I have said. I personally don’t think a male person who supports the posting of photos of JK Rowling as a sick gotcha or who thinks that male abusers should be able to expect anyone to use their demanded female language - particularly their victims, really has any moral judgment at this point.

Blunt and also a purveyor of pornographic material about characters who are children from one of the most popular children's stories in the world.

This isn't some obscure anonymous figure either - she's one of the main driving personalities behind the Gender Critical movement, intimately involved with Sex Matters.

Who is on record spouting exterminationist rhetoric and calling for a reduction in the number of trans people.

And reading porn. About children.

Having to balance the needs of female people for single sex provisions and the demands of male people who demand access to those provisions is indeed a significant issue.

The fact that you believe that female people should simply acquiesce to your demands to be treated as if you are female is yet another indication that you simply follow a misogynistic belief that female people do not count. You can continue to bring up Helen Joyce’s statement about the reality of the situation as if she is hateful all you want, and everytime you do so, those reading gain an understanding to look beyond the emotional wheedling and reasoning that they see male people perform to convince society to accept them as female people, when they are male people.

I also doubt that after your support of abusive actions of some male people, people will consider you as creditable on trying to position yourself as some kind of arbiter of acceptable behaviour. Not that Helen Joyce’s comment was untrue in any way, but she was blunt.

But hey, good luck in trying to position yourself as some kind of commentator on appropriate behaviour. You have already supported male abusers in your posts on this very thread.

Was this the Helen Joyce who recently went on record saying that every trans person who is allowed to access gender affirming care is 'a huge problem for a sane society'?

The same one who was caught on the train openly reading pornographic material about children? That Helen Joyce?

It’s still on KF though. They know all.

"Poor Katy - she has an entire thread here dedicated to going over her appearance with a pair of phrenologist's calipers looking for outward manifestations of Sin while denigrating and dismissing her for standing up to oppose the rising tide of extremist ideology in this country. I can only imagine what the KF counterparts are like."

I actually this is explains a great deal.

Here is a male person who thinks that it takes calipers for female people to be able to assess a male person's body cues to be likely to understand that those male people are male. Whereas, the sad sad reality for those male people is that it is a well tuned intuitive thing and even facial reconstruction is rarely successful because of the rest of the body cues and other cues that are not changed in the face.

But hey.... when you, a general you, think it is appropriate to post images of women as a sleight of hand so people think that they are you as a gotcha, I guess that you lack the ability to understand much about being female. As we keep telling these male posters, they might try using all the theories in the world to explain that they experience life as a female, they never can. It is just not possible and there are so many little things that show that it is just not possible.

It plays to a particular audience. Of course, people are commenting that a male person has male body cues that are clearly identifiable.

This gets twisted into ‘it is all about appearance’ to try to make it comparative to when female people are judged on their appearance. But it is convenient for those who aren’t or won’t be reading the thread, (or even that post necessarily on MN)

‘Women are facing serious dangers not during boxing matches’

not during boxing matches…..🙄

Your imago is slipping

I think they are using that new definition of "genocide" which just means people doing something they disagree with.

Just as people now use "fascists" to refer to people who don't agree with every single one of their political views.

Dies he drunk tweet?

I remember one pitiful Twitter thread bemoaning being clocked by another man in a club or pub.

“On a hen do. Guy comes up and says his name and stuf. After talking a bit he was like are you transgender. I was like why did you even ask that and out of nowhere he threw his drink over me. For no reason. I was just trying to enjoy my night. Why did he do it. I can't stop crying
Home safe

He said his name was "Oliver". He was about 5'9, white, brown hair, short beard

I was just trying to enjoy my night. I did nothing to him. I was nice even. It was totally unprovoked. Why do cis people hate us so much. I feel so bad. I don't want to be here
My cis friends stuck up for me. There were a lot of people there. I'm still shocked. I don't even know what happened. I don't know why he did it. I was just talking with my friends. Why. What is wrong with me”

I dont support anyone throwing a drink but I also don’t recall KM condemning TRAs throwing liquids at women during public gatherings. So it would be rather hypocritical of him to be so upset about the drink

He was possibly reflecting on the fact that people outside his own group saw him as the reality of his sex rather than his self identity of woman. The upset comes from being unable to control reality.

When I see his misogynistic behaviour and posts online I think back to his hen do post and remember that he wants all the empathy and sympathy whilst he shows none to females.

He is a selfish prick.