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Peggie case: controversial opinion

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SecretNameforMN · 22/07/2025 11:57

I realise I will probably be lambasted for this and be forced to change my username, but I am going to say it anyway because I genuinely believe it.

I've been a feminist for over 50 years; my entire adult life, in fact.

I am posting because I want to discover whether any other woman, even just ONE, agrees with me.

I have followed the Peggie case very closely and am struck my the fact that it is WOMEN who have taken sides with Upton and against Peggie, who coddled him and suspended her and are now beclowning themselves during their court testimony, as well as exposing their anti-female bias. AFAIK everyone who has given testimony against her is, sadly, female. It horrifies me of course to see women in power siding with men against other women.

I have come to suspect that this debacle would not be happening if all the people in power (those who enabled Upton to use the nurse's changing rooms and those who suspended and who have publicly turned against Sandie Peggie) had been male instead of female.

I suspect if all these positions had been held by males they would not have been driven by the social conditioning to "be kind" to a man who, having had no surgery and not even bothering to get a GRC was in effect just a cross-dresser. I suspect they would have worried about the optics of being men punishing a woman for not wanting to undress in front of someone they knew to be a heterosexual, genitally intact male. I suspect they would have checked the legal position more thoroughly, and, lastly, I don't think a married man with a senior position in the NHS would stand up in court and say he didn't know if he was male or female.

Please don't respond if you are just going to pile on an avalanche of vitriol onto me. I am not looking for that: I am just wanting to find out if there are any other women on here who suspect there may be even a modicum of possiblity that my suspicions may have good cause.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/07/2025 12:05

I suspect they would have worried about the optics of being men punishing a woman for not wanting to undress in front of someone they knew to be a heterosexual, genitally intact male.

I think you are probably right about this.

If all women were against it and most men were for it, it would be much easier to say, "Look, this is misogyny in action."

But the fact that so many "progressive" women support it muddies the waters.

IKeepMyToasterInTheCupboard · 22/07/2025 12:05

Not many - if any - of the women backing the doctor actually have to take their clothes off in the small changing room next to him.

Lins77 · 22/07/2025 12:05

A lot of women work in the NHS, I don't think you can read too much into the sex of the witnesses.

Women have been socialised to "be kind", but quite a lot of men also don't see why other men shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want, including identifying as a woman and using female changing facilities .

CaptainSevenofNine · 22/07/2025 12:03

I’m disappointed in the women who have fallen into gender ideology but there are many men who have fallen too.

Beowulfa · 22/07/2025 12:02

I don't think you can confidently assert that all men would have seen sense on the issue, but it is interesting to speculate.

I work in a male dominated STEM department at a university, and although I know many male academic colleagues who are definitely GC, they are still mindful of putting their heads above the parapet after what happened to Prof Stock.

Dumbo12 · 22/07/2025 12:02

I think you may well be right, there is a certain type of "progressive " professional woman, who both tries to out man the men and who will espouse the most extreme "new" thinking.
Men would have, in general, been much more careful about intervening in any dispute about women's cr.

Pinknotpurple · 22/07/2025 12:01

This situation is happening in multiple NHS hospitals unfortunately. No man has cared enough to sort it out.

lnks · 22/07/2025 11:59

I don’t agree. You only have to look at the sheer volume of men who support it. Our own Prime Minister for one.

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