Eliot Page; a positive example of masculinity?

There was crossover in the past. Men who demonstrated feminine behaviour were seen as likely to be gay, and punished for that. That’s why the Beaumont Society originally banned gay men from membership.

Homosexuality is when you are exclusively attracted to members of your own sex. That’s it, what don’t you understand.

It's interesting. I genuinely see the Elliot character as a boy and can sympathise / empathise with his story, but in the way I would to a character in a work of fiction not a real person.

He is a fictional character Page invented - "The person I would be if I had been born a boy".

In the same way that I can genuinely relate to and emphasise with a character in a film while still being aware that they are not an actual real person with a life story and a history and that there is an actor who is a real person behind them performing them, it's exactly the same feeling here.

Rich celebs love to use children as accessories, either through inappropriate adoption, by abusing poor women through surrogacy, or pretending their own children are magically special

Kae Tempest is such a disappointment. She was so cool and articulate.

Her voice is buggered in that awful testosterone thickening and it's ruined her performance.

Maybe because they are trying to escape from who they are, and in the process abandoning all the young women trying to be proud strong positive female role models - no one can really be content in a fake life, hiding who they really are and mimicking a reality they can never actually understand, much less be. Personally i can only admire and like women who are proud to be women and have some kind of solidarity with other women. Otherwise they're just "pick me, I'm not like those other women" old school misogynists

From my GC perspective, sex is male and female, man and woman. Two immutable developmental pathways in mammals for the purpose of reproduction.

Gender is a set of societal expectations that are masculine and feminine. They are reductive and sexist and to be resisted when they constrain us.

Some people believe they have an innate sense of gender, which they call a gender identity. They frequently insist everyone else does as well.

I think it's horseshit, just as I reject spirit guides, horoscopes, souls to be saved and other magical thinking. It's Page's right to believe she has one and to modify her body to appear masculine. It doesn't alter her sex, though. And she looks so unwell.

Aragorn (LOTR) has been touted online recently as a positive example of masculinity.

Which is somewhat ironic, given that he's fictional. 😬

I cannot take Elliot Page seriously. I see them as a somewhat tragic figure tbh.

Made to by whom? Who exactly is it that should be making me see Elliot Page as a man? Good luck with that.

Awesome. You can explain what you think the difference between sex and gender is, as if to a child.

Who says it is innate biological diversity to be transgender? There is nothing whatsoever biologically innate about cross sex hormones and surgery.

How dare you suggest a child is born in the wrong body/trans (innately so) just because they might be gender non/conforming. It is perfectly normal for a girl or boy to not fit gender stereotypes but that does not mean they are not their sex, and it does not mean that anything about them whatsoever needs changing.

It is an absolute crime to tell a toddler boy he is a girl or a toddler girl that she is a boy. Because their parent believes they are innately a different sex.

It has just come up in the House of Lirds that a child transed by his parents when he was 2 1/2 is now 11 and hiding in his room because he is starting to go through puberty and is evidently a boy so everyone will now know he is not a girl.

The next step, and crime, will probably be puberty blockers to keep up the gaslighting (affirmation). The trajectory after that is female hormones and probably surgery.

Your word salad has got rather nonsensical but I hope you can understand that the reason this is wrong is because E. Page is not a man.

Presenting her to children as an example of ‘a man’ is therefore incorrect and makes them look monumentally stupid.

The school also referenced pop star Harry Styles alongside Page to help demonstrate that men can be multi-dimensional.
We need to show that to be a man is not to be simply one thing. To do so, we highlight well-known figures such as Harry Styles and Elliot Page. They show that masculinity can mean softness and strength, and everything in between.”

I was wondering about that

I stopped doing Duolingo ages ago now. One of the phrases that used to come up in the Hindi bit was translated as "We are small men" (hum choti aadmi hai). Maybe they were forward thinking as it reminds me of them.

It's a trans gym. Pretty sure her tiny trainer is also female.

I remember years ago watching Hard Candy when it came out, and thinking what a cracking film it was, and how good she was (also Patrick Wilson). And now, it all seems so sad. There's no happiness there.

Perhaps the school rightly doesn't underestimate children understanding the difference between gender & sex or diversity even though many adults do. I suspect openness to new ideas is less prone to being smothered by biases at a younger age.

Is it a bad example? Would exposing children to gay people 'make them gay'?
This flawed logic only succeeds for kooky 'blank slatists' that can't conceive of innate inclinations driving personal expression usually because it threatens their world views. If anyone is a danger to children its those that preach difference as contagious 'degeneracy' rather than biological diversity.

You've been suckered in by a fake, I'm afraid, there are posts circulating on social media showing a picture of arm in leather armguards alongside an image of an arm with a phalloplasty scar in the same location claiming that Page shared the image, however neither image was ever posted by Page and there is no evidence either arm belongs to him. Look on any of Page's official sites and you will see no such image shared, nor will you find any source for the image apart from rather obvious bot or troll accounts on X.

What do you think the eyes of a 39 year old should look like?

Page is about 5'1" so no matter how buff they'll always seem slightly boyish. Bit hollow eyed here. Which is euphoria according to Esquire

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a40011366/elliot-page-umbrella-academy-euphoria/

They’d have been better to get some of the dads in to talk about their jobs and hobbies. I volunteered on a school trip once (as a parent) and the other one was a dad - a tall fireman. The children were all over him - boys and girls. Just having him in the room was like a some magic alchemy. They loved the fact that there was a nice, unassuming, slightly awkward bloke in their midst.

The TM example is not a good role model and I’d be writing a polite complaint to the school asking what the rationale is, and whether they had read updated DfE guidance on not promoting political views.

Good call. I would say that being a firefighter is conventional masculinity, except that there are female firefighters. Jonny Lee Miller is a fully trained volunteer firefighter in New York

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