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Eliot Page; a positive example of masculinity?

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juoist · 21/07/2025 16:04

I shared this news story in a group whatsapp and my year 8 daughter just told me that the same thing happened in her assembly recently.

I mean, this is batshit insanity and totally goes against what the Cass review states.

It’s out and out grooming. Clearly Page is an example of something other than positivity, whenever I see them being interviewed , they seem deeply depressed and miserable.

Are any of the boys in her school going to see Page as a man? Are any of the girls going to see it and wonder if their clothes choices and hairstyle mean they’re also a man? Why are schools still pumping out this unhealthy rhetoric for young teens? It’s insane.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14924669/Primary-school-trans-actor-Elliot-Page-lesson-masculinity.html

School uses trans actor Elliot Page as positive example of masculinity

The actor, who now identifies as a man after medically transitioning with cross-sex hormones and surgery, featured in a lesson about how masculinity can take multiple forms.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14924669/Primary-school-trans-actor-Elliot-Page-lesson-masculinity.html

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TomPinch · 21/07/2025 22:08

PermanentTemporary · 21/07/2025 22:00

Agree 100% Tom Pinch. Well, maybe 90%. It can be interesting to talk about some figures. My school liked to pretend it was a private school so we had houses, named after famous people, men and women. I still remember [some of] what I learned about Gladys Aylward and Lord Shaftesbury. But luckily nobody suggested we should learn about them for anything as boring as their femininity or masculinity, but what they did and/or wrote.

The examples of houses is quite useful. At the schools where I live they're also named after famous people: Scott, Batten, Hillary, Sheppard: people who achieved something or whose lives are an instructive example. Not just because they were fashionable.

PermanentTemporary · 21/07/2025 22:00

Agree 100% Tom Pinch. Well, maybe 90%. It can be interesting to talk about some figures. My school liked to pretend it was a private school so we had houses, named after famous people, men and women. I still remember [some of] what I learned about Gladys Aylward and Lord Shaftesbury. But luckily nobody suggested we should learn about them for anything as boring as their femininity or masculinity, but what they did and/or wrote.

zanahoria · 21/07/2025 21:57

"Are any of the boys in her school going to see Page as a man? "

at best, Page looks like a schoolboy

Jaws2025 · 21/07/2025 21:55

"Positive example of masculinity" well Page isn't a threat to women the way many men can be, maybe that's what they mean?

pearcrumblee · 21/07/2025 21:49

TomPinch · 21/07/2025 21:47

Society should stop using celebrities and rich people as moral examples. They're just celebrities and rich people and their lives are no more valuable than anyone else's.

Celebs are the worst, parading around their transitioned child like a badge of honour.

pearcrumblee · 21/07/2025 21:48

She’s a biological female, xx chromosomes aka a woman.

TomPinch · 21/07/2025 21:47

Society should stop using celebrities and rich people as moral examples. They're just celebrities and rich people and their lives are no more valuable than anyone else's.

zanahoria · 21/07/2025 21:45

What has Page even done to be regarded as positive example of masculinity ?

Apart from just say she is a man

zanahoria · 21/07/2025 21:38

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 21/07/2025 16:13

I’m always very sad when I see Eliot. It’s not a positive story. Eliot looks very feminine and definitely seems depressed and miserable in interviews. But to be honest I wouldn’t be happy about any transition story being pushed in school. It’s totally inappropriate for impressionable young people. It’s refreshing to hear that your DD thinks it’s a load of old nonsense.

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I do too, she was a marvellous actress but the one role she does not convince in is a man

TheCatsTongue · 21/07/2025 21:26

So schools think that the best way to combat "toxic masculinity" is to provide a role model in the form of a biological female who has taken some testosterone?

All boys should aspire to be a biological woman like Ellen Page?

And the schools will start wondering why they've got even more of a backlash from boys.

OldCrone · 21/07/2025 21:07

youreactinglikeafunmum · 21/07/2025 20:15

People can be who they want to be, do what they want with their genitals, just doesn't bother me

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There are laws about what people can do with their genitals. Do you think they should all be repealed? (Rape, indecent exposure etc.)

JohnsShirt · 21/07/2025 21:02

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 21/07/2025 20:28

100%. Harry embodies being comfortable in your own skin and not having to fit in with gender stereotypes. Which seems the polar opposite of Elliot.

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Harry also wears completely stereotypical male clothing when he's out and about in the wild.
The playing with gender seems to be very much a work thing, and I say that as a fan.

May913 · 21/07/2025 20:53

youreactinglikeafunmum · 21/07/2025 20:13

I'm not a terf, live and let live

But it irks me that elliot page will never be considered a man by other men, will still, likely, spend time around women

But a trans woman must be seen as a woman

Men should be made to embrace trans men more, which will never happen

Good old fashioned misogyny.

But why should men be made to embrace transmen? Maybe no one should be forced to embrace anyone they don't want to.

Screamingabdabz · 21/07/2025 20:51

youreactinglikeafunmum · 21/07/2025 20:15

People can be who they want to be, do what they want with their genitals, just doesn't bother me

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Wow you're so cool.

FreewomaninParis · 21/07/2025 20:45

Not as bad as Kae Tempest. Their new track is hugely fucked up and they seem so utterly depressed all the time

pontefractals · 21/07/2025 20:43

youreactinglikeafunmum · 21/07/2025 20:24

But this was my point

It seems to be women making all of the compromises and not the men

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Don't take this badly, but you do in fact sound quite terfy because all of that is what we tend to say, too, including the live and let live bit, until it starts to negatively affect women and young people.

DuesToTheDirt · 21/07/2025 20:41

Very offensive to men, in the same way that it would be offensive to list Munroe Bergdorf, or Debbie Hayton, or any other male as a "positive example of femininity".

ButtSurgery · 21/07/2025 20:35

Page looks chronically depressed in every single image since the mastectomy. And appears to have been a very vulnerable person throughout all stages of life.

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 21/07/2025 20:28

Lins77 · 21/07/2025 16:50

They mention Harry Styles too, and I think he's a better example.

100%. Harry embodies being comfortable in your own skin and not having to fit in with gender stereotypes. Which seems the polar opposite of Elliot.

youreactinglikeafunmum · 21/07/2025 20:24

juoist · 21/07/2025 20:18

might not bother me, but what about the way it impacts women and children? If you were in prison, would you be ok having a male cell mate? If you played high level or lower level competitive sports would you be ok playing against a male born athlete with all the recognised sex based advantages that enables? Do you think trans women are actual women? What is sex and what is gender?

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But this was my point

It seems to be women making all of the compromises and not the men

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juoist · 21/07/2025 20:18

youreactinglikeafunmum · 21/07/2025 20:15

People can be who they want to be, do what they want with their genitals, just doesn't bother me

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might not bother me, but what about the way it impacts women and children? If you were in prison, would you be ok having a male cell mate? If you played high level or lower level competitive sports would you be ok playing against a male born athlete with all the recognised sex based advantages that enables? Do you think trans women are actual women? What is sex and what is gender?

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youreactinglikeafunmum · 21/07/2025 20:15

juoist · 21/07/2025 20:15

what does the live and let live thing entail?

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People can be who they want to be, do what they want with their genitals, just doesn't bother me

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juoist · 21/07/2025 20:15

youreactinglikeafunmum · 21/07/2025 20:13

I'm not a terf, live and let live

But it irks me that elliot page will never be considered a man by other men, will still, likely, spend time around women

But a trans woman must be seen as a woman

Men should be made to embrace trans men more, which will never happen

Good old fashioned misogyny.

what does the live and let live thing entail?

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youreactinglikeafunmum · 21/07/2025 20:13

I'm not a terf, live and let live

But it irks me that elliot page will never be considered a man by other men, will still, likely, spend time around women

But a trans woman must be seen as a woman

Men should be made to embrace trans men more, which will never happen

Good old fashioned misogyny.

BackToLurk · 21/07/2025 18:41

It’s such a weird example. What is the positive masculinity that Page demonstrates?

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