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Statutory guidance on RSE and health education now out from DfE

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Barbie222 · 15/07/2025 17:24

Apologies if there’s a thread running already - the DfE statutory guidance on relationships and sex education is out today: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/relationships-education-relationships-and-sex-education-rse-and-health-education

This specific piece of guidance was interesting:

  1. Pupils should also be taught the facts and the law about biological sex and gender reassignment. This should recognise that people have legal rights by virtue of their biological sex which are different from the rights of those of the opposite sex with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. Pupils should also be taught to recognise that people with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, as with the other protected characteristics, have protection from discrimination and should be treated with respect and dignity.

  2. In teaching this, schools should be mindful that beyond the facts and the law about biological sex and gender reassignment there is significant debate, and they should be careful not to endorse any particular view or teach it as fact. For example, they should not teach as fact that all people have a gender identity. Schools should avoid language and activities which repeat or enforce gender stereotypes. Schools should be mindful to avoid any suggestion that social transition is a simple solution to feelings of distress or discomfort.

  3. Schools should encourage young people to consider how to express their views while remaining respectful of the opinions of others. Schools should be clear that bullying or disrespectful language or behaviour is never appropriate. * *

  1. Where schools decide to use external resources, they should avoid materials that use cartoons or diagrams that oversimplify this topic, that could be interpreted as being aimed at younger children, or that perpetuate stereotypes or encourage pupils to question their gender. Schools should consult parents on the content of external resources on this topic in advance and make all materials available to them on request as set out in the section on openness with parents.

Relationships and sex education (RSE) and health education

Statutory guidance on relationships education, relationships and sex education (RSE) and health education.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/relationships-education-relationships-and-sex-education-rse-and-health-education

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GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/07/2025 20:10

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 18/07/2025 12:01

girl mode / boy mode language is just about the most sexist, embarrassing language TRAs use

Vomit inducing isn't it?

WarriorN · 18/07/2025 16:10

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 18/07/2025 08:58

They can, and probably should, but they have to present themselves as non biased and therefore tel all sides including the people who reckon gender ID is crap :)

how are they going to do this if the teacher clearly has a gender identity? Due to being non binary particularly I think , which isn’t covered by the EA.

being non binary and perhaps saying I have mixed or absent gender identity, forces all the children into a binary whereby they do have a gender identity by proxy 🤪

Manteiga · 18/07/2025 14:07

Ingenieur · 15/07/2025 17:38

That seems incredibly balanced!

I'm just wilaiting for our usual suspects here to claim that this section is jUsT a MoDeRn SeCtIoN 28!!!1!!

In teaching this, schools should be mindful that beyond the facts and the law about biological sex and gender reassignment there is significant debate, and they should be careful not to endorse any particular view or teach it as fact. For example, they should not teach as fact that all people have a gender identity

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1m1botg/starmers_clause_28/

The response on Reddit has been relatively calm though - only two posters have called the guidance genocidal so far.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/07/2025 13:03

WarriorN · 18/07/2025 08:49

IANAL but I can’t help thinking another JR may be needed as I wonder if schools will argue lgbt needs to be taught

I agree - they might complain. LBG issues certainly need to be covered age appropriately in PSHE as part of the curriculum.
No school should be running pride / stonewall / LGBT groups in schools any more than they should be running groups about sex / sexuality for year 9 girls or any other cohort. Hopefully the political / queer theory activist confirmation that the judgment evidences will now lead to them being stopped.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 18/07/2025 12:01

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/07/2025 11:38

For example one weekend last autumn one Friday I had my hair done, put on make up, strappy shoes and a sparkly floor length dress and carried a hand bag. I drank white wine and danced the 'follower' parts on the dance floor. The next day I wore jeans, a football shirt, a hoodie and a 'mens' coat and no makeup. I drank pints and shouted at the players.

I don't think on Friday I was in 'girl mode' and on Saturday I was in 'boy mode' I was just me. Female on both days.

girl mode / boy mode language is just about the most sexist, embarrassing language TRAs use

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/07/2025 11:38

For example one weekend last autumn one Friday I had my hair done, put on make up, strappy shoes and a sparkly floor length dress and carried a hand bag. I drank white wine and danced the 'follower' parts on the dance floor. The next day I wore jeans, a football shirt, a hoodie and a 'mens' coat and no makeup. I drank pints and shouted at the players.

I don't think on Friday I was in 'girl mode' and on Saturday I was in 'boy mode' I was just me. Female on both days.

teawamutu · 18/07/2025 11:24

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/07/2025 09:07

The bit about not teaching that all people have a gender identity is bizarre tho..like there's probably about as many people who believe that the moon is made of cheese than who sincerely believe they don't have a gender identity, but meh.

@BeeSouriante

I don't have a gender identity, I have a sex (female) and a personality. I sincerely believe this. In fact I'd go as far as misquoting Demi Moore in a Few Good Men and say I strenuously believe I don't have a gender identity.

Now does anyone have a giant box of crackers and a vat chilli jam? The moon is looking particularly tasty.

I would lay good money that most people, if gender and sex were explained to them (stereotypes and biology) would conclude they had a sex and a personality and identity has fuck all to do with anything.

If you spend all your time in a genderwoo echo chamber it may appear differently, of course.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/07/2025 09:07

The bit about not teaching that all people have a gender identity is bizarre tho..like there's probably about as many people who believe that the moon is made of cheese than who sincerely believe they don't have a gender identity, but meh.

@BeeSouriante

I don't have a gender identity, I have a sex (female) and a personality. I sincerely believe this. In fact I'd go as far as misquoting Demi Moore in a Few Good Men and say I strenuously believe I don't have a gender identity.

Now does anyone have a giant box of crackers and a vat chilli jam? The moon is looking particularly tasty.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 18/07/2025 08:58

WarriorN · 18/07/2025 08:49

IANAL but I can’t help thinking another JR may be needed as I wonder if schools will argue lgbt needs to be taught

They can, and probably should, but they have to present themselves as non biased and therefore tel all sides including the people who reckon gender ID is crap :)

WarriorN · 18/07/2025 08:49

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 18/07/2025 07:19

Genuinely think this could be seismic with regard to TRA influence in schools, how do we make sure the schools actually do it and hold them to account?

IANAL but I can’t help thinking another JR may be needed as I wonder if schools will argue lgbt needs to be taught

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 18/07/2025 08:47

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/07/2025 07:52

It's going to need publicity. Ideally the government would remind schools of this.
Hopefully Transgender Trend, Safe Schools Alliance, Sex Matters etc will issue statements about this - along with highlighting the DfE guidance which explains how schools can manage political issues / involve different groups in schools in an impartial way.
Of course, the forthcoming gender questioning guidance would be the perfect opportunity to remind schools that the groups desperate to gaslight children that sex change is a great option for them, should have no place in schools.

Edited

It will absolutely, but will also need people to take these local organisations to task and make sure they do as they are required to do. Brighton council and police, as well as all their schools need the biggest public humiliation and climb down possible....

https://selsey.substack.com/p/impartiality-on-parade

Impartiality on Parade

High Court Judgment on Police at Pride Signals Warning for All Public Bodies

https://selsey.substack.com/p/impartiality-on-parade

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/07/2025 07:52

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 18/07/2025 07:19

Genuinely think this could be seismic with regard to TRA influence in schools, how do we make sure the schools actually do it and hold them to account?

It's going to need publicity. Ideally the government would remind schools of this.
Hopefully Transgender Trend, Safe Schools Alliance, Sex Matters etc will issue statements about this - along with highlighting the DfE guidance which explains how schools can manage political issues / involve different groups in schools in an impartial way.
Of course, the forthcoming gender questioning guidance would be the perfect opportunity to remind schools that the groups desperate to gaslight children that sex change is a great option for them, should have no place in schools.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 18/07/2025 07:19

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/07/2025 08:53

I'd like to add to this thread a judicial review that I reckon is a game changer in rooting out queer theory political activism from schools. Yesterday a JR ruled that Pride was political activism and that Northumbria police should not have been marching there - as it was a political protest and the police are legally required to be politically impartial.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14911965/Police-face-ban-marching-Pride-parades-breaches-impartiality.html

Schools are also legally required to be politically impartial. This JR that states that pride is a political protest movement, therefore confirms that it has no place in schools. Nor do trans lobbyists or any other political activist groups other than as part of a balanced curriculum (ie a programme looking at different sides of a political issue).
Just like everywhere else, parents have been too scared of being called bigots and their children targeted if they raise concerns about pride clubs and activities pushing partisan political views in schools.
I've added the guidance for schools as it details the legal requirements and explains how schools can help children navigate contentious and sensitive issues while not promoting partisan political views to pupils.

This is a game changer as until now the campaigning to remove the rights of women and girls to same sex sports, spaces etc has been openly waged in schools by political activists under the guise of "inclusivity" with children gaslit that this is the right thing to do. But now it's clear that this is political activism.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/political-impartiality-in-schools/political-impartiality-in-schools

Genuinely think this could be seismic with regard to TRA influence in schools, how do we make sure the schools actually do it and hold them to account?

eatfigs · 17/07/2025 23:44

This is good but I'd like our legal rights to single-sex spaces to be taught as well. It's important especially as it's been challenged so much in recent years.

IwantToRetire · 17/07/2025 19:51

Sorry if this has already been posted but saw this on Government Press Release:

Oak National Academy, the publicly-funded provider of curriculum and teaching resources for schools, has released a set of online safety lessons reflecting this part of the guidance that will warn teenagers of the dangers of incel ideology and other forms of misogyny they encounter on the internet.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/misogynistic-myths-kicked-out-of-classrooms-to-protect-children

Teaching online safety in schools: tackling real risks to help pupils stay safe
https://www.thenational.academy/blog/teaching-online-safety-in-schools-tackling-real-risks-to-help-pupils-stay-safe

Oak National Academy

Teaching online safety in schools: tackling real risks to help pupils stay safe | Oak National Academy

From toxic algorithms to online misogyny, young people are facing growing dangers online - and teachers are on the front line. Oak’s new online safety lesson resources are here to help you teach online safety in schools, with confidence and clarity.

https://www.thenational.academy/blog/teaching-online-safety-in-schools-tackling-real-risks-to-help-pupils-stay-safe

Manteiga · 17/07/2025 17:43

WarriorN · 17/07/2025 12:13

Good thread critical of the new guidelines- don’t go far enough
https://x.com/neildotobrien/status/1945751026385969242?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Full article on O'Brien's substack:

substack.com/home/post/p-168460284

RedToothBrush · 17/07/2025 16:01

I would do a bit of googling for a really good explanation on the concept of reasonableness in law in the UK.

I find it a very interesting word given our very own AIBU section here. It's not a coincidence. It's a cultural measure of behaviour and understanding.

BonfireLady · 17/07/2025 15:32

I'd like to add to this thread a judicial review that I reckon is a game changer in rooting out queer theory political activism from schools.

That's exactly where my head went too Mrs O.

https://x.com/BonfireLady/status/1945494800242761916?t=D3ilFk2SHHSJYAI6PRN3Cg&s=19

It's high time schools recognised their obligations on this.

And thank you Red for that excellent steer on the common understanding of words and facts.

https://x.com/BonfireLady/status/1945494800242761916?s=19&t=D3ilFk2SHHSJYAI6PRN3Cg

WarriorN · 17/07/2025 12:13

Good thread critical of the new guidelines- don’t go far enough
https://x.com/neildotobrien/status/1945751026385969242?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

GreenAllOver · 17/07/2025 10:15

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 16/07/2025 10:26

This very much feels like a MumsNet working group, similar to the NHS one - to request details from schools, review them and report them for breeches?

Maybe put the suggestion on the NHS audit thread? I think people would be up for it once the whole of the UK is done for NHS Trusts, which will hopefully be in a week or so.

Though you might need some new ways of approaching it, and more volunteers to thread marshal, set up a jotform etc - there are a lot more schools than there are NHS Trusts.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/07/2025 09:47

Brainworm · 15/07/2025 21:34

It’s great that the TRA’s are seeing this as a win. That will nudge the hardline schools to toe the line without parents and women’s rights groups dragging them into line.

I work in schools and think the guidance provides the direction needed to bring back sanity.

Happy Days!

Not the TRAs I’ve seen.

RedToothBrush · 17/07/2025 09:34

Completely agree MrsOvertonsWindow.

And whilst all the activists are busy on Twitter saying how awful the Sandie Peggie case is, because they don't pay attention to the news properly (only what comes up on their social media feed) this has largely slipped under the radar.

If the Sandie Peggie case goes the way I'm anticipating and there is a comment about unwritten policy being completely biased and led by activists and an example of this is saying you are an ally in your email signature, that both backs up the judicial review about policing and the statutory guidance for schools.

It puts the government in a position where they just have to suck it up because it's going to be exceptionally difficult to change the law about the equality act and biological sex at that point precisely because it is so contentious.

The only roads open then are expanding self id (which again has massive political issues and still would be restricted by sex - it's not something popular with the public) and the way this is moving, enforced pronouns are likely to be binned off at some point which renders much of the attraction null and void.

Or to look at making everything gender neutral which is actually indirectly discriminatory to women and more significantly to disabled people. That's also going to get challenged in court eventually if that happens. And this is where women need to be most aware and keep their eyes on.

The only other route available to activists is to escalate to the ECHR, if they can find a suitable case. At the moment there isn't really one that obviously will reach the threshold to be referred that far. And even if they do, the timescale is so long you are likely to see the negligence claims starting to bite as well as medical studies really starting to raise so serious questions.

If they do manage to escalate to the ECHR against that backdrop, given the current political climate, the government may well be Reform and they may well choose to ignore the ruling (there's precedence for this from other member countries) or try to pull use out of the ECHR using it as leverage.

This is effectively a game of chess and the activists are starting to rapidly lose significant pieces and are in a game of check where theres really only one long term outcome.

It's going to take a good while yet, but you can see how things are slowly closing down in terms of other protected characteristics being ignored because gender reassignment has trumped everything and everyone else.

Equality is by definition not seeing this bullshit because it's seamless within society. And there is wide public consensus that things are fair.

Notfinanciallyresponsibleforyou · 17/07/2025 09:10

Though it is for implementation from September 2026 it should be flagged in September 2025 training as schools need to be compliant in the 2026/2027 academic year. The PHSCE coordinator will need to ensure delivery plants are in place

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/07/2025 08:53

I'd like to add to this thread a judicial review that I reckon is a game changer in rooting out queer theory political activism from schools. Yesterday a JR ruled that Pride was political activism and that Northumbria police should not have been marching there - as it was a political protest and the police are legally required to be politically impartial.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14911965/Police-face-ban-marching-Pride-parades-breaches-impartiality.html

Schools are also legally required to be politically impartial. This JR that states that pride is a political protest movement, therefore confirms that it has no place in schools. Nor do trans lobbyists or any other political activist groups other than as part of a balanced curriculum (ie a programme looking at different sides of a political issue).
Just like everywhere else, parents have been too scared of being called bigots and their children targeted if they raise concerns about pride clubs and activities pushing partisan political views in schools.
I've added the guidance for schools as it details the legal requirements and explains how schools can help children navigate contentious and sensitive issues while not promoting partisan political views to pupils.

This is a game changer as until now the campaigning to remove the rights of women and girls to same sex sports, spaces etc has been openly waged in schools by political activists under the guise of "inclusivity" with children gaslit that this is the right thing to do. But now it's clear that this is political activism.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/political-impartiality-in-schools/political-impartiality-in-schools

Political impartiality in schools

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/political-impartiality-in-schools/political-impartiality-in-schools

SamiSnail · 17/07/2025 08:53

BeeSouriante · 15/07/2025 19:35

Nope, it explicitly states that the existence of all queer people should be taught and doesn't do what the Tory draft did and ignore why we exist.

The bit about not teaching that all people have a gender identity is bizarre tho..like there's probably about as many people who believe that the moon is made of cheese than who sincerely believe they don't have a gender identity, but meh. Some people are a bit concerned about the 'encouraging to explore gender identity' in the same way that sec 28 explicitly was 'promoting homosexuality' whilst actually lead to 'don't talk about the gays', but that's contradicted by what was said earlier and clearly refers to something that doesn't happen anyway.

Pleased that they're not doing what the Tories were proposing by gatekeeping teaching about sexual violence (obviously age-appropriately). Not sure what to think about the 'role model' stuff and +ve conceptions of masculinity / femininity. feels like they were trying to get away from 'toxic' conceptions of these, but the wording is not clear.

Anyway, it's fine and faar better than what the Tories were proposing.

No we do NOT have a gender 'identity'. The only people who believe we have a 'gender identity' are misogynistic males cosplaying as women through sex stereotypes.

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