Reddit Trans Drama

Addendum: 'Prior to the 1550s, the term "Buggery" was not used in a homosexual sense, rather related to any sexual activity not related to procreation, regardless of sex or species involved in the sexual act, and also covered sexual crimes of a non-consensual nature.'

Even so, male homosexual acts were heavily punished, including by execution.

i can't report the deleted post, or do you mean any of my posts?

You can just report your own post and ask.

i don't know why my post was deleted - i need to check with MN. Anyone have the address i need to write to

It's the power dynamic. Men have more power, so it's seen as demeaning for a man to pretend to be a woman. He's surrendering his power, which is seen as weak.

A woman pretending to be a man is 'punching up', it doesn't threaten the status quo.

Hence (actual) transphobia, and hence sissy submission fantasies, which play on the shame to fuel sexual fantasy/fetish.

There's also a fair whack of homophobia mixed in, too. Male homosexuality has long been more persecuted than lesbianism, which has generally been ignored (was never illegal, for example, whereas 'sodomy' was for a very long time). (Just looked it up - the Buggery Act was passed in 1533).

I always get the impression that women (including trans identified women) are only on worth to trans identified men depending on their usefulness to them. FTM's and gender confused kids help provide a kind of smokescreen and narrative that being born in the wrong body is just something that happens to some poor people and its definitely not a fetish. Same with women in general, we are all fine and good as long as we are sitting on the side cheering the stunning and the brave on but as soon as we complain or fight back and stick up for ourselves we are witches, old crones nobody loves, essentially shut up woman and stop bitching. Its always about the men, even when they wear a dress and pretend to be women.

I don't understand why what you said was deleted @Brefugee , was it because of the mention of cross dressers?

Yes to "women's clothes" being acceptable for men. I can dress my daughters in whatever I like but I don't feel comfortable putting my son in a dress (and I'm not about to start the gender revolution with him). There should be nothing wrong with a man wearing a dress or skirt but for some reason there is. Maybe because we inherently know that, for many, it's a sexual thing. But maybe it wouldn't be a sexual thing if it wasn't forbidden.

The monitors are quick today

Agree entirely with this.

And after all that push against pinkification in the noughties. What the hell happened?

i think for transwomen we need to expand the definition of "clothes" for men (etc) so that cross dressers etc can just get on with it without the utter fiction that they really think they're women (unless they honestly do, but that must be a tiny minority)

for transmen we need to stop the whole "women are weak/supposed to be sexy/for making sandwiches" nonsense

And stop "gendering" toys and so on for children.

I'm not convinved that in the case of trans men it is just a case of making beds and lying in them. They're a different demographic from certain men lumped under the 'trans woman' umbrella (not saying they're all like that) - but we know the three initials and what they mean. It's no coincidence that amongst the largest numbers transitioning in their younger years are autistic girls. 'Transition' seems to have been sold to this demographic is the catch-all 'cure' for their feelings of isolation, exclusion and any unhappiness they might be feeling.

If I were in a state of angst like that, always feeling like the 'odd' kid or bullied for feeling different, and someone came along promising a magic cure-all for that sad state of affairs, I'm not at all sure I wouldn't seize it with both hands. (I was just a 'goth', which does nothing harmful to your body). Suddenly you'll be part of a 'community'; part of a rainbow family; you'll be wanted; you'll have a collective sense of identity rather than being the solitary weird kid. (It's necessary to point out that I'm not referring to neurodiverse people as 'weird' but their oft-vocalised feelings about themselves and how they always felt different, such as in the very moving account of Chris Packham).

These vulnerable young people have been sold a lie, one only setting them up for a lot more unhappiness later down the line once they realise transitioning wasn't the solution to their angst after all. All I can say on that score is thank the gods for Hilary Cass and the part she has played in stopping an irreversible path of medication for such kids.

As for those who sold and pedalled the lie, and who demonised, lambasted, harassed and cancelled women who expressed deep concerns about this, (looking at you, Mermaids), their actions are unforgiveable and I want nothing more than to see them made culpable. Every individual who has pushed a child along the medical pathway - without exception.

A flippant aside I know, but this post on that Reddit thread made me smile.

bloody Norah, RTFT.

We ARE discussing the appalling treatment of transmen by the trans community

Perhaps you should spend your energy supporting them instead of scolding us?

Awww. Woken up from your big boy nap.

If men didn't take the time and trouble to tell us how to do feminism how would we ever know?

A man arrives to tell the silly women what they should be talking about.

What was someone saying upthread about the TIMs wanting to shut this particular conversation down?

Amazing that some silly spat on a minor trans subreddit gets more attention on this subforum than the historic decriminalisation of abortion amendment. It's almost like this isn't about women's rights at all 😮

No, no..that can't be right 🤔

It is not easy to counter thousands of years of patriarchal history, entrenched social attitudes, and even instinctive self preservation that means people pay more attention to men. It was never going to be a quick and easy win.

As a teen I was told feminism was done, we won, we have equality. That to be feminist now was redundant, man hating, uncool and unattractive

Yeah, not sure who you were listening to. I heard it from plenty of younger women from about the mid 90s.
When rape was still legal in marriage. And I used to sometimes think we 2nd wavers had a) wasted our time and b) done dirty by the people spouting such twaddle and disinformation.

I do feel sorry for them, but it’s just a demonstration of how much misogyny is at the heart of the whole movement, it runs throughout like a message in a stick of rock. From the men, from the women, from the “allies”.

All of those.

'trans kids deserve better' have a post on their Insta that says 'we protect us'.

From a group of children, this is heartbreaking.

Where are their adults? Their caregivers? The people who are actually supposed to be protecting them? Chanting mantras? Sourcing them off-label drugs that are banned by the NHS? Grifting to make money out of their children's situation?

Don't know if this has been confirmed, but I was told that the kid doing the climbing was one of Jolyon Maugham's trans 'sons'.