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Cass review: how has report affected care for transgender young people? - The Guardian 2/7/25

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UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 16:13

Article in The Guardian tweeted by Biology in Medicine on TwiX (https://x.com/biologyinmed/status/1943616841152114706)

https://archive.ph/lfWGI

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/02/cass-review-how-has-report-affected-care-for-transgender-young-people

Review led to profound changes, some of which made young people feel unsupported, yet new clinics are opening

'The Cass effect
Fourteen months later and the exponential rise in referrals for NHS care has halted, with figures showing a sharp reduction from up to 280 referrals a month at the Tavistock to between 20 and 30 a month this year, a 10th of the earlier rate.

James Palmer, the medical director for specialised services at NHS England, who is responsible for implementing the recommendations of Cass, suggests a number of factors are behind the decrease. Young people can now only be referred for the youth gender service through mental health or paediatric specialists, rather than by a GP.

Palmer also believes the reduction is partly because of the “change in philosophy” brought in by Cass about hormone treatments. Her review concluded there was “remarkably weak evidence” that puberty blockers(prescribed to give young people experiencing distress and dysphoria about their bodies time to consider their next move) and cross-sex hormones (which masculinise or feminise people’s appearances) improve young people’s wellbeing and there was concern they may harm health.'

Cass review: how has report affected care for transgender young people?

Review led to profound changes, some of which made young people feel unsupported, yet new clinics are opening

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/02/cass-review-how-has-report-affected-care-for-transgender-young-people

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DefineHappy · 11/07/2025 16:49

😂😅🤣

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:46

sanluca · 11/07/2025 16:43

You mean that of Olsen-Kennedy whose study found no improvement in mental health after taking blockers and tried to wave that away by saying the childrens mental health was good to begin with and blockers at least ‘ensured’ it hadn’t deteriotated?

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How do you know what's in an unplished paper?!

Oh wait, you are just copy/pasting something long debunked: Fact Check: New York Times Publishes Misleading Story On Puberty Blocker Study

Fact Check: New York Times Publishes Misleading Story On Puberty Blocker Study

The New York Times claimed that a prominent gender researcher claimed that a US Study went unpublished because of politics. This is despite the researcher publishing several studies off of the data.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/fact-check-new-york-times-publishes

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:45

If you want an actually peer reviewed, and published in a accredited and respected journal study on results of the ban, have a read: of: Harming children: the effects of the UK puberty blocker ban
doi: 10.1080/09589236.2025.2521699 (google that for direct result)

Mind that peer review and published in a journal is not some "high bar", it's the 101 of research that Cass was unable to meet.

Of course no one here will read it, as it does not agree with your conclusions, which is opposite of how science works too, fitting of loving unscientific cass review.

letsallchant · 11/07/2025 16:43

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:37

Oh yes, you are a gender and sex care expert with doctorate in development biology, just like everyone on mumsnet. Read an actual peer reviewed study, not self-published leaflet like cass review.

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You have no idea what my doctorate is in. What's yours in? 😃

sanluca · 11/07/2025 16:43

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:37

Oh yes, you are a gender and sex care expert with doctorate in development biology, just like everyone on mumsnet. Read an actual peer reviewed study, not self-published leaflet like cass review.

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You mean that of Olsen-Kennedy whose study found no improvement in mental health after taking blockers and tried to wave that away by saying the childrens mental health was good to begin with and blockers at least ‘ensured’ it hadn’t deteriotated?

sanluca · 11/07/2025 16:40

What use is moving to private healthcare for blockers and cross sex hormones when they are banned across the board? And with good reason, not just on advice of the Cass report but also by the Commission of Human Medicine, who states that blockers and hormones are an unacceptable safety risk to children.

HPFA · 11/07/2025 16:37

The article seemed quite neutral and balanced. I didn't think it was hostile.

We can see on this page that kids will still be living in an atmosphere which actively discourages them from reconciling with their sexed bodies and that makes everything harder.

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:37

letsallchant · 11/07/2025 16:34

This isn't stopping the saving of lives. Quite the reverse, it's stopping potentially damaging and life altering-in-a-bad-way treatment being given to kids. But as you said, who cares about reality when you could mutilate children in the name of 'helping them'?

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Oh yes, you are a gender and sex care expert with doctorate in development biology, just like everyone on mumsnet. Read an actual peer reviewed study, not self-published leaflet like cass review.

letsallchant · 11/07/2025 16:34

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:30

Moved to private care, that and more.

Pretty much exactly what everyone said would happen if NHS will stop saving kids life, they will go elsewhere for the help needed. But who cares about reality, where you can believe that you can policy trans away.

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This isn't stopping the saving of lives. Quite the reverse, it's stopping potentially damaging and life altering-in-a-bad-way treatment being given to kids. But as you said, who cares about reality when you could mutilate children in the name of 'helping them'?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/07/2025 16:34

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 16:26

It’s hard to tell from the article because it frames this reduction as a bad thing. It also states that companies like Gender Plus et al are offering treatment privately and they say that their numbers of patients have risen.

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Oh, I'll dial down the hope, we've still got a ways to go then. 😒

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:30

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/07/2025 16:23

Fourteen months later and the exponential rise in referrals for NHS care has halted, with figures showing a sharp reduction from up to 280 referrals a month at the Tavistock to between 20 and 30 a month this year, a 10th of the earlier rate.
That's sounds great, has the tide on this madness been well and truly turned do you think.
Or am I getting to excited. 🤨

Moved to private care, that and more.

Pretty much exactly what everyone said would happen if NHS will stop saving kids life, they will go elsewhere for the help needed. But who cares about reality, where you can believe that you can policy trans away.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 16:26

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/07/2025 16:23

Fourteen months later and the exponential rise in referrals for NHS care has halted, with figures showing a sharp reduction from up to 280 referrals a month at the Tavistock to between 20 and 30 a month this year, a 10th of the earlier rate.
That's sounds great, has the tide on this madness been well and truly turned do you think.
Or am I getting to excited. 🤨

It’s hard to tell from the article because it frames this reduction as a bad thing. It also states that companies like Gender Plus et al are offering treatment privately and they say that their numbers of patients have risen.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/07/2025 16:23

Fourteen months later and the exponential rise in referrals for NHS care has halted, with figures showing a sharp reduction from up to 280 referrals a month at the Tavistock to between 20 and 30 a month this year, a 10th of the earlier rate.
That's sounds great, has the tide on this madness been well and truly turned do you think.
Or am I getting to excited. 🤨

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