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Cass review: how has report affected care for transgender young people? - The Guardian 2/7/25

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UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 16:13

Article in The Guardian tweeted by Biology in Medicine on TwiX (https://x.com/biologyinmed/status/1943616841152114706)

https://archive.ph/lfWGI

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/02/cass-review-how-has-report-affected-care-for-transgender-young-people

Review led to profound changes, some of which made young people feel unsupported, yet new clinics are opening

'The Cass effect
Fourteen months later and the exponential rise in referrals for NHS care has halted, with figures showing a sharp reduction from up to 280 referrals a month at the Tavistock to between 20 and 30 a month this year, a 10th of the earlier rate.

James Palmer, the medical director for specialised services at NHS England, who is responsible for implementing the recommendations of Cass, suggests a number of factors are behind the decrease. Young people can now only be referred for the youth gender service through mental health or paediatric specialists, rather than by a GP.

Palmer also believes the reduction is partly because of the “change in philosophy” brought in by Cass about hormone treatments. Her review concluded there was “remarkably weak evidence” that puberty blockers(prescribed to give young people experiencing distress and dysphoria about their bodies time to consider their next move) and cross-sex hormones (which masculinise or feminise people’s appearances) improve young people’s wellbeing and there was concern they may harm health.'

Cass review: how has report affected care for transgender young people?

Review led to profound changes, some of which made young people feel unsupported, yet new clinics are opening

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/02/cass-review-how-has-report-affected-care-for-transgender-young-people

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RNApolymerase · 11/07/2025 17:56

Back to the original question - I think the debate around this gives more evidence for parents to look at who may not be convinced that full steam ahead medical transition is the best option for their children.

CassOle · 11/07/2025 17:55

It's nice to see that the undercover bloke is working hard to peak the masses.

RobinHeartella · 11/07/2025 17:54

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 17:47

Quite keen to know wtf 'musical masculinism' is all about.

I thought it was about chinese nationalist propaganda music but that sounds a) too sensible and b) I've mixed up the two papers

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:53

Abra1t · 11/07/2025 17:49

Well, following on from The Salt Path busting we have now had the Cass Report debunked as something Hilary wrote at home and put out on kindle Direct Publishing.

What a week.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:52

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 17:47

Quite keen to know wtf 'musical masculinism' is all about.

I imagined it was like gangsta rap, very OTT masculine stereotypes. And lots of posing as hard lads and bovver boys type of thing.

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Abra1t · 11/07/2025 17:49

Well, following on from The Salt Path busting we have now had the Cass Report debunked as something Hilary wrote at home and put out on kindle Direct Publishing.

What a week.

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 17:47

Quite keen to know wtf 'musical masculinism' is all about.

RobinHeartella · 11/07/2025 17:46

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:44

To be fair that's actually two separate papers. Sorry for not formatting more clearly.😀

Haha it doesn't make more or less sense either way! I assumed those online spaces had done the bifurcating which is as plausible as anything else

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:46

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:44

To be fair that's actually two separate papers. Sorry for not formatting more clearly.😀

Oh, that makes 'more' sense cos I’ve been stretching my brain trying to work out the possible connection between far right music and single Chinese people. 😬

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/07/2025 17:45

AidaP · 11/07/2025 17:43

That's all it is in a scientific term. You either were peer reviewed and published, or it's something you did at home and did not follow the scientific process.

Ironically the issue of the public giving "institutional reviews" same credence as actually peer reviewed science is a long going issue, because those reviews tend to be nothing more than hit jobs, and people confuse them with actual progress of scientific work.

There is a reason why people rely and trust the key phrase: peer reviewed (as long as done in a reputable journal that follows open standards or comparable protocol).

Please you need to stop 😂😂😂😂😂 she had a university team working with her you absolute dolt

seriously learn when to stop fecking digging

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:44

RobinHeartella · 11/07/2025 17:39

The appeal of musical masculinism within contemporary online far-right spaces
Bifurcated experiences of single people in urban China

I make that 44 syllables in 19 words. Judith Butler would be proud

To be fair that's actually two separate papers. Sorry for not formatting more clearly.😀

AidaP · 11/07/2025 17:43

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:38

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I have never heard anyone describe the the Cass Review as self-published?! It was commissioned by a government minister and carried out with a team of researchers from a university. I mean….self-published????? 🙄

That's all it is in a scientific term. You either were peer reviewed and published, or it's something you did at home and did not follow the scientific process.

Ironically the issue of the public giving "institutional reviews" same credence as actually peer reviewed science is a long going issue, because those reviews tend to be nothing more than hit jobs, and people confuse them with actual progress of scientific work.

There is a reason why people rely and trust the key phrase: peer reviewed (as long as done in a reputable journal that follows open standards or comparable protocol).

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 17:42

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:38

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I have never heard anyone describe the the Cass Review as self-published?! It was commissioned by a government minister and carried out with a team of researchers from a university. I mean….self-published????? 🙄

These posts are reaching levels of stupidity I never thought possible.

There is nothing the TRAs won't say to to cast shade. Nothing. No matter how obviously ignorant and idiotic.

RobinHeartella · 11/07/2025 17:39

The appeal of musical masculinism within contemporary online far-right spaces
Bifurcated experiences of single people in urban China

I make that 44 syllables in 19 words. Judith Butler would be proud

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:38

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 17:13

This is, hands down, the stupidest post I've read on here.

Congratulations

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I have never heard anyone describe the the Cass Review as self-published?! It was commissioned by a government minister and carried out with a team of researchers from a university. I mean….self-published????? 🙄

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RobinHeartella · 11/07/2025 17:37

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:26

See, that's the beauty of papers, anyone can write them, and all that matters is selecting the right journal that will published it. The Journal of Gender Studies might be an academic journal but it's not a scientific journal. It's full of the musings of sociologists not anybody reared on the scientific method & critical thinking.

The titles of some of the articles in the current issue are beyond parody e.g.
The appeal of musical masculinism within contemporary online far-right spaces
Bifurcated experiences of single people in urban China: A gendered compressed modernity perspective
https://www.tandfonline.com/action/showAxaArticles?journalCode=cjgs20

Love this title, gave me a chuckle. 10/10 for use of bifurcated, very evocative of trousers, so fitting.

More please!

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:26

AidaP · 11/07/2025 17:05

See, that's the beauty of papers, anyone can write them, and all that matters for the peer review is the content, as it's done double blind. It matters not what clout you have online, or titles, or if you are just no one writing it at home, you will get review based on what you wrote. And it was positively peer reviewed, and consequently published in one of the more respectable journals for the field.

And cass report is self-published non-reviewed opinion piece which is now being dragged through judaica review because it cannot provide copy of most of the papers it's citing and which cannot otherwise be found online.

I love the scientific process on how it does extremely good job of removing authorship bias. And that's precisely why cass self published, as this would not pass any peer review.

See, that's the beauty of papers, anyone can write them, and all that matters is selecting the right journal that will published it. The Journal of Gender Studies might be an academic journal but it's not a scientific journal. It's full of the musings of sociologists not anybody reared on the scientific method & critical thinking.

The titles of some of the articles in the current issue are beyond parody e.g.
The appeal of musical masculinism within contemporary online far-right spaces
Bifurcated experiences of single people in urban China: A gendered compressed modernity perspective
https://www.tandfonline.com/action/showAxaArticles?journalCode=cjgs20

Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/07/2025 17:23

AidaP · 11/07/2025 17:05

See, that's the beauty of papers, anyone can write them, and all that matters for the peer review is the content, as it's done double blind. It matters not what clout you have online, or titles, or if you are just no one writing it at home, you will get review based on what you wrote. And it was positively peer reviewed, and consequently published in one of the more respectable journals for the field.

And cass report is self-published non-reviewed opinion piece which is now being dragged through judaica review because it cannot provide copy of most of the papers it's citing and which cannot otherwise be found online.

I love the scientific process on how it does extremely good job of removing authorship bias. And that's precisely why cass self published, as this would not pass any peer review.

😂😂😂😂 “self published”

oh aida come on admit it!!! You’re a secret double agent for the GC side doing our work for us!

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 17:13

AidaP · 11/07/2025 17:05

See, that's the beauty of papers, anyone can write them, and all that matters for the peer review is the content, as it's done double blind. It matters not what clout you have online, or titles, or if you are just no one writing it at home, you will get review based on what you wrote. And it was positively peer reviewed, and consequently published in one of the more respectable journals for the field.

And cass report is self-published non-reviewed opinion piece which is now being dragged through judaica review because it cannot provide copy of most of the papers it's citing and which cannot otherwise be found online.

I love the scientific process on how it does extremely good job of removing authorship bias. And that's precisely why cass self published, as this would not pass any peer review.

This is, hands down, the stupidest post I've read on here.

Congratulations

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/07/2025 17:07

AidaP · 11/07/2025 17:05

See, that's the beauty of papers, anyone can write them, and all that matters for the peer review is the content, as it's done double blind. It matters not what clout you have online, or titles, or if you are just no one writing it at home, you will get review based on what you wrote. And it was positively peer reviewed, and consequently published in one of the more respectable journals for the field.

And cass report is self-published non-reviewed opinion piece which is now being dragged through judaica review because it cannot provide copy of most of the papers it's citing and which cannot otherwise be found online.

I love the scientific process on how it does extremely good job of removing authorship bias. And that's precisely why cass self published, as this would not pass any peer review.

Sorry you were Busted 😂. We should rename MN to Debunked Central.

DefineHappy · 11/07/2025 17:06

Again,
😂😅🤣

AidaP · 11/07/2025 17:05

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:01

Did you mean a single author paper paper by Natacha Kennedy? Who is not a former President of the Royal College of Paediatricians. Not even a paediatrician. Not an eminent doctor in fact not even a doctor at all but a lecturer in Educational Studies. If you Google the author's name it's obvious why he might be the biased in his conclusions.

See, that's the beauty of papers, anyone can write them, and all that matters for the peer review is the content, as it's done double blind. It matters not what clout you have online, or titles, or if you are just no one writing it at home, you will get review based on what you wrote. And it was positively peer reviewed, and consequently published in one of the more respectable journals for the field.

And cass report is self-published non-reviewed opinion piece which is now being dragged through judaica review because it cannot provide copy of most of the papers it's citing and which cannot otherwise be found online.

I love the scientific process on how it does extremely good job of removing authorship bias. And that's precisely why cass self published, as this would not pass any peer review.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:01

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:45

If you want an actually peer reviewed, and published in a accredited and respected journal study on results of the ban, have a read: of: Harming children: the effects of the UK puberty blocker ban
doi: 10.1080/09589236.2025.2521699 (google that for direct result)

Mind that peer review and published in a journal is not some "high bar", it's the 101 of research that Cass was unable to meet.

Of course no one here will read it, as it does not agree with your conclusions, which is opposite of how science works too, fitting of loving unscientific cass review.

Did you mean a single author paper paper by Natacha Kennedy? Who is not a former President of the Royal College of Paediatricians. Not even a paediatrician. Not an eminent doctor in fact not even a doctor at all but a lecturer in Educational Studies. If you Google the author's name it's obvious why he might be the biased in his conclusions.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/07/2025 16:57

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:46

How do you know what's in an unplished paper?!

Oh wait, you are just copy/pasting something long debunked: Fact Check: New York Times Publishes Misleading Story On Puberty Blocker Study

You know it is now in the public domain, there's been several threads about the paper on MN.

Signalbox · 11/07/2025 16:56

In light of the controversy following the Cass Review I can’t fathom why any parent would allow their child to attend a gender clinic. No wonder the numbers have depleted. I’m amazed the clinics even have anyone left waiting to attend at all.

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