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Cass review: how has report affected care for transgender young people? - The Guardian 2/7/25

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UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 16:13

Article in The Guardian tweeted by Biology in Medicine on TwiX (https://x.com/biologyinmed/status/1943616841152114706)

https://archive.ph/lfWGI

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/02/cass-review-how-has-report-affected-care-for-transgender-young-people

Review led to profound changes, some of which made young people feel unsupported, yet new clinics are opening

'The Cass effect
Fourteen months later and the exponential rise in referrals for NHS care has halted, with figures showing a sharp reduction from up to 280 referrals a month at the Tavistock to between 20 and 30 a month this year, a 10th of the earlier rate.

James Palmer, the medical director for specialised services at NHS England, who is responsible for implementing the recommendations of Cass, suggests a number of factors are behind the decrease. Young people can now only be referred for the youth gender service through mental health or paediatric specialists, rather than by a GP.

Palmer also believes the reduction is partly because of the “change in philosophy” brought in by Cass about hormone treatments. Her review concluded there was “remarkably weak evidence” that puberty blockers(prescribed to give young people experiencing distress and dysphoria about their bodies time to consider their next move) and cross-sex hormones (which masculinise or feminise people’s appearances) improve young people’s wellbeing and there was concern they may harm health.'

Cass review: how has report affected care for transgender young people?

Review led to profound changes, some of which made young people feel unsupported, yet new clinics are opening

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/02/cass-review-how-has-report-affected-care-for-transgender-young-people

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OldCrone · 12/07/2025 07:06

Jorgensen seems to be a classic example of transing away the gay.

SionnachRuadh · 12/07/2025 01:09

At the end of the day it probably all comes back to Christine Jorgensen.

GallantKumquat · 12/07/2025 00:48

This has been mentioned before, but I do seriously wonder if 'gender dysphoria' is in fact 100% social contagion. The book, The Transsexual Phenomenon, sent off a shock-wave in the 60s; for the first time it was suggested that you could change the presentation of your sex. I think this planted seed for many men who would become part of the first wave of clients of the newly opened gender clinics of the 70s, examples include Renée Richards and Jan Moris. Both of whom would write widely read books would further fan the flame. To put it directly, if these men had not been exposed to the idea that it was possible to socially transition, it would not have occurred to them that they had a condition that made it necessary.

It was only when it became widely known, though social media, that it was possible for young people to receive trans medicine, did referrals skyrocket. And it should also be noted that, like the 70s gender clinics, checklists were circulated about how to answer diagnostic questions in order to fit the criteria for gender dysphoria in order to receive trans gender medical care.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 12/07/2025 00:18

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BundleBoogie · 11/07/2025 23:34

Hilary must have spent a fortune on the photocopying of her 80+ page leaflet.

All that collating and stapling too 🤣

BundleBoogie · 11/07/2025 22:59

Abra1t · 11/07/2025 17:49

Well, following on from The Salt Path busting we have now had the Cass Report debunked as something Hilary wrote at home and put out on kindle Direct Publishing.

What a week.

🤣🤣 I missed the memo that it was comedy night tonight

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2025 22:46

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 20:59

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Yep.

NotBadConsidering · 11/07/2025 22:42

Imagine using the word policy as a verb, too.

There is not a single study that shows any benefit of puberty blockers for children.

SamiSnail · 11/07/2025 22:35

Imagine offering up that prolific insane liar 'Erin' as a source for anything.

MyAmpleSheep · 11/07/2025 22:08

Why on earth would the Cass report be "peer reviewed"? It's not a piece of research. Dr Cass was commissioned by the government to chair a review and make recommendations. Which she did.

I agree that criticizing what she wrote as "self published" as if that was a flaw is possibly quite the stupidest comment written on this entire subject and demonstrates a total lack of understanding of her role.

Heggettypeg · 11/07/2025 21:58

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:26

See, that's the beauty of papers, anyone can write them, and all that matters is selecting the right journal that will published it. The Journal of Gender Studies might be an academic journal but it's not a scientific journal. It's full of the musings of sociologists not anybody reared on the scientific method & critical thinking.

The titles of some of the articles in the current issue are beyond parody e.g.
The appeal of musical masculinism within contemporary online far-right spaces
Bifurcated experiences of single people in urban China: A gendered compressed modernity perspective
https://www.tandfonline.com/action/showAxaArticles?journalCode=cjgs20

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Deary me. Lindsay, Boghossian and Pluckrose must be at it again...

Retiredfromthere · 11/07/2025 21:47

AidaP · 11/07/2025 17:05

See, that's the beauty of papers, anyone can write them, and all that matters for the peer review is the content, as it's done double blind. It matters not what clout you have online, or titles, or if you are just no one writing it at home, you will get review based on what you wrote. And it was positively peer reviewed, and consequently published in one of the more respectable journals for the field.

And cass report is self-published non-reviewed opinion piece which is now being dragged through judaica review because it cannot provide copy of most of the papers it's citing and which cannot otherwise be found online.

I love the scientific process on how it does extremely good job of removing authorship bias. And that's precisely why cass self published, as this would not pass any peer review.

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The problem of peer review is that within a discipline such as gender studies the reviewers will also be academics whose careers are tied into this system. I believe the Cass review points out the problems of insular citing of works from academics within a small self serving group. The same can be said for peer review. For the Journal of Gender Studies 'Reviewers are chosen based on their expertise in specific areas within gender studies, their research experience, and their experience as peer reviewers.' I suspect not research in biological sciences, medicine or other more rigorous disciplines.

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 20:59

Shedmistress · 11/07/2025 20:56

Did he really cite Natasha Kennedy the bloke who co-authored a paper with...himself?

😂

Shedmistress · 11/07/2025 20:56

Did he really cite Natasha Kennedy the bloke who co-authored a paper with...himself?

NecessaryScene · 11/07/2025 20:15

I guess there is a sort of "self publishing" happening, but it doesn't quite have the same connotations when the "self" in question is the NHS, or the UK Supreme Court. 😂

Annoyedone · 11/07/2025 19:56

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:37

Oh yes, you are a gender and sex care expert with doctorate in development biology, just like everyone on mumsnet. Read an actual peer reviewed study, not self-published leaflet like cass review.

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Did you just call the class review a “self published leaflet”. 😂😂😂😂😂😂. You really are an oddball aren’t you.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/07/2025 19:55

Hopefully this means this mentally unwell cohort of children and young people are starting to receive appropriate therapy / mental health support with trans issues no longer over shadowing their treatment. Of course that's a good thing - unless you're a self interested gender loon concerned only about transitioning other people's children.

GrandmaMazur · 11/07/2025 19:52

I’m looking forward to the new version of Mumsnet where we can filter out certain posters

Bannedontherun · 11/07/2025 19:41

Heat has got to my head resisting the urge to issue an abusive diatribe to a self centred shit whose mission in life is to self affirm at a cost to children and their families.

DialSquare · 11/07/2025 19:14

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:30

Moved to private care, that and more.

Pretty much exactly what everyone said would happen if NHS will stop saving kids life, they will go elsewhere for the help needed. But who cares about reality, where you can believe that you can policy trans away.

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But who cares about reality

I know self awareness isn’t your strong point but this is really taking the piss!

JanesLittleGirl · 11/07/2025 18:45

sanluca · 11/07/2025 18:34

I admit the paper written by Olsen-Kennedy has not been peer reviewed, but no, not the New York Times

Conclusion: Participants initiating medical interventions for gender dysphoria with GnRHas have self- and parent-reported psychological and emotional health comparable with the population of adolescents at large, which remains relatively stable over 24 months. Given that the mental health of youth with gender dysphoria who are older is often poor, it is likely that puberty blockers prevent the deterioration of mental health.

^pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40463525/^

This runs counter to the argument that kids who are gender confused need blockers as life saving treatment. They aren't depressed to start with! It is like prescribing prozac because someone might become depressed later in life.

It's more like prescribing a full frontal lobotomy in case they have a mental episode in the future.

sanluca · 11/07/2025 18:34

I admit the paper written by Olsen-Kennedy has not been peer reviewed, but no, not the New York Times

Conclusion: Participants initiating medical interventions for gender dysphoria with GnRHas have self- and parent-reported psychological and emotional health comparable with the population of adolescents at large, which remains relatively stable over 24 months. Given that the mental health of youth with gender dysphoria who are older is often poor, it is likely that puberty blockers prevent the deterioration of mental health.

^pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40463525/^

This runs counter to the argument that kids who are gender confused need blockers as life saving treatment. They aren't depressed to start with! It is like prescribing prozac because someone might become depressed later in life.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 18:31

helof · 11/07/2025 18:04

one of the quickest ways for me to determine an absolute nutter is when they slate the Cass review. Anyone who has read it, can see the painstakingly detailed and sensitive way it attempts to unpick the years of un researched truth about genderism. Anyone who dismisses it without reason or by calling it unscientific is an idiot and not worthy of an intelligent discussion.

They also most likely won't have read the Cass Review or if they have won't have the knowledge or experience to be able to understand or evaluate the contents.

Bannedontherun · 11/07/2025 18:13

I am getting very very bored with the nonsense posts by Ada, and the like, and quite frankly cannot even be arsed to respond with a laughing emoji.

Let them live in their internet fantasy land whilst we all get on with pushing for protecting children from adults who seek to validate their own political and twisted views of themselves via children and young people.

helof · 11/07/2025 18:04

one of the quickest ways for me to determine an absolute nutter is when they slate the Cass review. Anyone who has read it, can see the painstakingly detailed and sensitive way it attempts to unpick the years of un researched truth about genderism. Anyone who dismisses it without reason or by calling it unscientific is an idiot and not worthy of an intelligent discussion.