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Gregg Wallace: I've bloody heard it all now

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SidewaysOtter · 09/07/2025 22:45

https://www.thetimes.com/article/048274a6-0f4d-4840-a6d6-a762f3cd89b4?shareToken=c179de101201f5ff427273be03361fa3

Apparently, in addition to him being the "true victim" in the BBC's investigation (see his statement of yesterday on Instagram where "nothing was done to investigate my disability" or "protect me from...a dangerous environment"), his "friends" now claim that incidents such as him opening doors with a sock on his penis while he shouted "hooray" were due to his autism which, in turn, meant he couldn't wear underwear.

I have no words other than to say I know quite a few autistic people. Not one of them behaves as, or uses autism to excuse being, a sex pest.

Whoever is doing his crisis PR has really pulled out all the stops.

Gregg Wallace’s autism means he can’t wear underwear, say friends

Sources close to ex-MasterChef presenter claim he has ‘hypersensitivity’ to tight clothing and his condition is partly to blame for his inappropriate behaviour

https://www.thetimes.com/article/048274a6-0f4d-4840-a6d6-a762f3cd89b4?shareToken=c179de101201f5ff427273be03361fa3

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MarieDeGournay · 10/07/2025 00:18

As far as the autism claim is concerned, if is not true - and up to late 2024 GW said he had never been tested let alone diagnosed with autism - it is a despicable use of disability as a cover for offensive behaviour towards women.

If it is true, meaning he has been diagnosed in the past few months, how is that relevant to his former employers/the programme-makers? [I'm not sure about his employment status]?

How can he accuse them of failing to 'protect me from what I now realise was a dangerous environment for over twenty years' when even he didn't now he had autism? Were they supposed to mind-read, or look 20 years into the future to learn that he was going to be diagnosed in 2025, and make proper arrangements to 'protect' him - or protect his female colleagues from him, more likely?

Either way, it's not a great defence because it feels too much like the RVO part of DARVO - reverse victim and offender - and a cynical retrospective use of disability as an excuse for inexcusable behaviour.

SinnerBoy · 10/07/2025 00:15

I have misjudged him, I didn't realise the he's autistic, I just thought he was a wanker.

Pinkrabitt · 10/07/2025 00:13

Fizbosshoes · 09/07/2025 23:47

When was it considered ok to get your privates out in the workplace....Confused

Gives new meaning to "bring your whole self to work".

SionnachRuadh · 10/07/2025 00:13

It does say something about BBC culture that he got away with it for so long.

The only thing that surprises me is that they never thought of casting him as Doctor Who.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 10/07/2025 00:10

Fizbosshoes · 09/07/2025 23:47

When was it considered ok to get your privates out in the workplace....Confused

Never. And the day after never. Not even in the '70s

Shenmen · 10/07/2025 00:05

SquishedMallow · 09/07/2025 23:52

It's not no.

But what happened at the time ? Was he reported immediately? Was it voiced very clearly that it wasn't funny and was unacceptable?

Or did people laugh and titter along and then tell a newspaper how shocked and distressed they were ? It's just rather underhand when people dont confront the person at the time and let them carry on thinking everyone finds it funny and are ok with the 'tone' and then several years later deciding they're a victim.

It doesn't make his behaviour acceptable. Definitely not. But I do think it can be a bandwagon type culture with these type of accusations of lewdness.

Victim blaming has not died I see. Edited to add that surely you know that when faced with a predator people won't react in a negative way for fear of escalation. And will then minimise because they feel bad that they didn't respond at the time. Which is how these cunts get away with it.

PiggyPigalle · 10/07/2025 00:05

Well, it's what you've been waiting for. He's started a life coaching business. You can be just like him for £200 pm. So forget the slim jabs and divert your dosh to Greg.

Shenmen · 10/07/2025 00:04

Fuck off Greg. I'm bipolar and yet have never been a sexist cunt. My DH and adult DS are autistic and have never been sexist wankers or put a sock on their willies. How dare he. It's so pathetic to use a disability to excuse this behaviour.

Delphiniumandlupins · 10/07/2025 00:00

SquishedMallow · 09/07/2025 23:52

It's not no.

But what happened at the time ? Was he reported immediately? Was it voiced very clearly that it wasn't funny and was unacceptable?

Or did people laugh and titter along and then tell a newspaper how shocked and distressed they were ? It's just rather underhand when people dont confront the person at the time and let them carry on thinking everyone finds it funny and are ok with the 'tone' and then several years later deciding they're a victim.

It doesn't make his behaviour acceptable. Definitely not. But I do think it can be a bandwagon type culture with these type of accusations of lewdness.

You have agreed this was never acceptable behaviour then blame the victims for not reporting it!

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2025 23:59

Eskarina1 · 09/07/2025 23:51

I think historically- and even recently in BBC (and other) cultures, it's not that people weren't aware the women were uncomfortable it's that they believed (correctly) that they'd get away with it. There have been some apologies that have been sincere in a "I genuinely thought everyone was laughing and I'm devastated I got it wrong" and maybe they don't deserve a witch hunt. But people who blame their victims or "middle class women of a certain age" or the lack of disability accommodations should be burned at the metaphorical stake.

2021
Former presenter Melanie Sykes made an informal complaint against Wallace after her time on MasterChef.

In a video posted in December 2024, she said: "Every time Gregg came over to the desk, I didn't really like him being around really, because it's all about vibrations and energy."

She also claimed she quit TV because of Wallace in her 2024 autobiography.

2022
In 2022, another woman alleged that he touched her bottom during a group hug in a lift in 2022.

2023
Wallace quit the BBC show Inside The Factory, which he had co-presented for a decade, after alleged inappropriate behaviour during a trip to a Nestle factory.

MarieDeGournay · 09/07/2025 23:58

SquishedMallow · 09/07/2025 23:37

I don't know the ins and outs of the accusations, I'll be honest.

But I do think there is a culture of hunting down men on TV for behaviour that once was considered 'ok' (over flirtatious behaviour towards females guests/sexist 'banter' for example) and publicly witch-hunting them and judging them by today's standards.

Today, we (thank god ) know better and women are treated far more equal and it's now socially unacceptable to paw at women on TV and treat them like some kind of pretty little dolly that's good for groping and treating like they have an IQ of 30.

But there is balance. I think when behaviour is historic we have to be careful about whether the public frenzy and blood thirstiness strikes the balance over the actual alleged 'crime'.

Helena Kennedy answered this very well on Newsnight - when was it ever acceptable to put your hand up a woman's skirt?

As other posters have said, 'historic' doesn't apply here. And it often doesn't when people talk about 'different times' before political correctness, or wokeness, made it all walking-on-eggshells-ish.

So GW started groping women and exposing himself 20 years ago - that was not 1756 or 1066 or 1953, it was the year 2000! 'Today's standards' were well and truly in effect in 2000, the modern women's movement was already decades old.

So if men got away with doing things to women that would have been equally obnoxious in 1900 or 2000, isn't it more reasonable to be angry that they weren't held to account sooner, rather than calling it a 'witch-hunt' when they are eventually called out on their behaviour towards women?

speroku · 09/07/2025 23:52

But I do think there is a culture of hunting down men on TV for behaviour that once was considered 'ok' (over flirtatious behaviour towards females guests/sexist 'banter' for example) and publicly witch-hunting them and judging them by today's standards.

Unfortunately I think Mr Wallace lost my sympathy when he tried to blame us uppity old bags "middle class women of a certain age" for making a fuss. He could have just said "look I was a twat and I apologise" and I'd have much more respect for him. The fact that he's now trying to blame it on autism is another level of pathetic.

SquishedMallow · 09/07/2025 23:52

Fizbosshoes · 09/07/2025 23:47

When was it considered ok to get your privates out in the workplace....Confused

It's not no.

But what happened at the time ? Was he reported immediately? Was it voiced very clearly that it wasn't funny and was unacceptable?

Or did people laugh and titter along and then tell a newspaper how shocked and distressed they were ? It's just rather underhand when people dont confront the person at the time and let them carry on thinking everyone finds it funny and are ok with the 'tone' and then several years later deciding they're a victim.

It doesn't make his behaviour acceptable. Definitely not. But I do think it can be a bandwagon type culture with these type of accusations of lewdness.

Eskarina1 · 09/07/2025 23:51

I think historically- and even recently in BBC (and other) cultures, it's not that people weren't aware the women were uncomfortable it's that they believed (correctly) that they'd get away with it. There have been some apologies that have been sincere in a "I genuinely thought everyone was laughing and I'm devastated I got it wrong" and maybe they don't deserve a witch hunt. But people who blame their victims or "middle class women of a certain age" or the lack of disability accommodations should be burned at the metaphorical stake.

Fizbosshoes · 09/07/2025 23:47

When was it considered ok to get your privates out in the workplace....Confused

Kimwestonhelpless · 09/07/2025 23:45

Historic or recent is irrelevant , opening a door at work and shouting hooray with a sock on your penis is always going to land you in hot water.
Along with all the other incidents he was the centre of.

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2025 23:40

SquishedMallow · 09/07/2025 23:37

I don't know the ins and outs of the accusations, I'll be honest.

But I do think there is a culture of hunting down men on TV for behaviour that once was considered 'ok' (over flirtatious behaviour towards females guests/sexist 'banter' for example) and publicly witch-hunting them and judging them by today's standards.

Today, we (thank god ) know better and women are treated far more equal and it's now socially unacceptable to paw at women on TV and treat them like some kind of pretty little dolly that's good for groping and treating like they have an IQ of 30.

But there is balance. I think when behaviour is historic we have to be careful about whether the public frenzy and blood thirstiness strikes the balance over the actual alleged 'crime'.

'Historic' might be doing a lot of heavy lifting when it comes to Mr Wallace though.

Some of the allegations are really not old at all.

SidewaysOtter · 09/07/2025 23:38

I think when behaviour is historic we have to be careful about whether the public frenzy and blood thirstiness strikes the balance over the actual alleged 'crime'.

I really don’t think this can be called “historic”, a lot was within the last decade.

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SquishedMallow · 09/07/2025 23:37

I don't know the ins and outs of the accusations, I'll be honest.

But I do think there is a culture of hunting down men on TV for behaviour that once was considered 'ok' (over flirtatious behaviour towards females guests/sexist 'banter' for example) and publicly witch-hunting them and judging them by today's standards.

Today, we (thank god ) know better and women are treated far more equal and it's now socially unacceptable to paw at women on TV and treat them like some kind of pretty little dolly that's good for groping and treating like they have an IQ of 30.

But there is balance. I think when behaviour is historic we have to be careful about whether the public frenzy and blood thirstiness strikes the balance over the actual alleged 'crime'.

Fizbosshoes · 09/07/2025 23:29

zanahoria · 09/07/2025 23:25

He will end up on Philip Schofield island

He's already done a pip style interview where he <shocker> talks very softly and quietly (who knew he had a volume button?) with tears etc

Like several pp have said hypersensitivity (and not liking/wanting to wear tight underwear) could be easily accommodated if he just kept his (other) clothes on

zanahoria · 09/07/2025 23:25

He will end up on Philip Schofield island

NewsdeskJC · 09/07/2025 23:16

Baroness Kennedy on Newsnight last night is definitely worth a watch on this topic. Especially the last minute or so of her interview.

Thelnebriati · 09/07/2025 23:14

So basically he's saying men need to be policed at work? He might be on to something. We could call it a 'workplace anti harassment policy' or something.

SidewaysOtter · 09/07/2025 23:14

zanahoria · 09/07/2025 22:56

so when will he come out as trans?

I can imagine the PR management conversation:

”Trans is a bit over now, everything’s gone a bit Supreme Court. Addiction…could we say he’s got an addiction? Tricky, I suppose, when there’s no stories of drug or alcohol abuse, and sex addiction is such a difficult sell. WAIT! I’ve got it - neurodiversity! It’s the very thing!”

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