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Labour tears itself apart over trans rights as biological man 'breaks party rules' and stands to become women's officer

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IwantToRetire · 09/07/2025 21:34

Labour has become embroiled in a fresh row over trans rights after activists put forward a biological man to be the women's officer for an LGBT+ group.

The Trans Rights Alliance, a newly formed organisation seeking to change Labour's approach to gender issues, has put forward a number of candidates for election on July 19.

One of them includes Steph Richards - a transgender woman in possession of a gender recognition certificate - who is standing for women's officer.

However, a gender critical group within the party, Labour LGB, said the move breaks party rules by 'putting a man forward to be a women's officer'.

Sharing the list of candidates, the group posted on X: 'Many people say that trans ideology is a men's rights movement.

'The "Trans Alliance" (seeking to take over the once-great LGBT+ Labour) has set out to prove this.

'Also breaking party rules by putting a man forward to be Women's Officer.'

Continues at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14887747/Labour-trans-rights-biological-man-women.html

Labour tears itself apart over trans rights and 'breaks party rules'

One of the candidates includes Steph Richards - a transgender woman in possession of a gender recognition certificate - who is standing for women's officer.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14887747/Labour-trans-rights-biological-man-women.html

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ArabellaScott · 10/07/2025 12:07

Collaborate · 10/07/2025 11:52

Why is anyone up in arms that a trans woman wants to stand for a role in Labour's LGBT+ group? Do you not know what the T stands for? It's entirely appropriate that they stand and it's up to the members how they vote. Isn't the real issue that people posting here, most of whom I suspect are not Labour Party members, object with the T part of the group?

What do you think he will be bringing to the role of Women's Officer?

BedlingtonWillow · 10/07/2025 11:56

Collaborate · 10/07/2025 11:52

Why is anyone up in arms that a trans woman wants to stand for a role in Labour's LGBT+ group? Do you not know what the T stands for? It's entirely appropriate that they stand and it's up to the members how they vote. Isn't the real issue that people posting here, most of whom I suspect are not Labour Party members, object with the T part of the group?

He wants to stand as women's officer, no? A role that should be reserved for a woman.

murasaki · 10/07/2025 11:56

Collaborate · 10/07/2025 11:52

Why is anyone up in arms that a trans woman wants to stand for a role in Labour's LGBT+ group? Do you not know what the T stands for? It's entirely appropriate that they stand and it's up to the members how they vote. Isn't the real issue that people posting here, most of whom I suspect are not Labour Party members, object with the T part of the group?

Well then he can stand as trans officer. I'd expect the women's officer for that group to be a lesbian or bisexual woman. Of the original kind.

Collaborate · 10/07/2025 11:52

Why is anyone up in arms that a trans woman wants to stand for a role in Labour's LGBT+ group? Do you not know what the T stands for? It's entirely appropriate that they stand and it's up to the members how they vote. Isn't the real issue that people posting here, most of whom I suspect are not Labour Party members, object with the T part of the group?

SerendipityJane · 10/07/2025 11:34

StellaAndCrow · 10/07/2025 11:25

Yes, that's such a good idea and good point. Of course, we women don't actually do these things because we tend to respect other people's boundaries. Isn't it strange that these men act all the least womanly ways

I am reminded of celebrities who buy up their Twitter handle not to post, but to prevent someone masquerading as them ....

StellaAndCrow · 10/07/2025 11:29

BeeSouriante · 10/07/2025 02:36

"However, a gender critical group within the party, Labour LGB,"

These Twitter groups which, like the 'LGB Alliance' are mostly straight people and mostly men will be used to attack gay rights. Looking Followerwonk at these ""grassroots"" groups was always fascinating and made it very obvious that it was just the same people boosting each other.

"The "Trans Alliance" (seeking to take over the once-great LGBT+ Labour) has set out to prove this."

People picking stuff out of their arses again.

Steph Richards can go do whatever she wants, but she's completely lost in terms of where most trans people are at.

"These Twitter groups which, like the 'LGB Alliance' are mostly straight people and mostly men will be used to attack gay rights."

BeeSouriante, are you quoting this from somewhere, or is this what you are saying yourself? It's so obviously not true that I'm wondering about anyone's motivation for saying it.

Though maybe it's just engagement farming.

StellaAndCrow · 10/07/2025 11:25

GCAcademic · 10/07/2025 02:43

I’ve applied to be the trans representative on a committee at work. After all, they’re not going to do a genital check, and most of the time you can’t tell that someone is trans.

Yes, that's such a good idea and good point. Of course, we women don't actually do these things because we tend to respect other people's boundaries. Isn't it strange that these men act all the least womanly ways

SerendipityJane · 10/07/2025 09:58

ArabellaScott · 10/07/2025 09:51

Vibe.

There is a colourful Irish expression I've heard which goes along the lines of

"...an' if me Da' had breasts* he'd be me Ma ..."

*possibly not this exact word

Once you've heard it, you may not see some people the same way.

ArabellaScott · 10/07/2025 09:51

Greyskybluesky · 10/07/2025 08:51

"I am legally female, other than in regards to the Equality Act"

...said no WOMAN ever

Vibe.

girl selfies GIF
SerendipityJane · 10/07/2025 09:33

Sausagenbacon · 10/07/2025 09:14

Don't forget that, pretty quickly after the SC ruling, the LP 'postponed ' the Women's Conference.
Labour is all about the men.

All moves away from the centre are ambivalent about women.

Sausagenbacon · 10/07/2025 09:14

Don't forget that, pretty quickly after the SC ruling, the LP 'postponed ' the Women's Conference.
Labour is all about the men.

Slothtoes · 10/07/2025 09:09

So would it be legal for the Labour Party to rush out some rules at this point in an election stipulating that candidates do have to have the relevant protected characteristics to contest for the elected role?

RhymesWithOrange · 10/07/2025 09:07

Apologies, I'm on a train with bad wifi signal so can't access the links. Do the LP rules state that only a woman can be the women's officer? If so, then this is not in keeping with the Supreme Court judgement. If the LP rules don't specify that it has to be a woman then this man, along with any other man, is allowed to put himself forward.

SerendipityJane · 10/07/2025 09:01

illinivich · 09/07/2025 22:26

Is there any chance that the trans officer wouldn't be trans, or the disability officer not disabled?

I had a friend who applied for a job with a local authority as a disability specialist. The couldn't get the job as there was no ramp into the building.

(But as they were told, it was probably for the best as there was no disabled toilet and no lift).

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 10/07/2025 08:54

IwantToRetire · 09/07/2025 21:34

Labour has become embroiled in a fresh row over trans rights after activists put forward a biological man to be the women's officer for an LGBT+ group.

The Trans Rights Alliance, a newly formed organisation seeking to change Labour's approach to gender issues, has put forward a number of candidates for election on July 19.

One of them includes Steph Richards - a transgender woman in possession of a gender recognition certificate - who is standing for women's officer.

However, a gender critical group within the party, Labour LGB, said the move breaks party rules by 'putting a man forward to be a women's officer'.

Sharing the list of candidates, the group posted on X: 'Many people say that trans ideology is a men's rights movement.

'The "Trans Alliance" (seeking to take over the once-great LGBT+ Labour) has set out to prove this.

'Also breaking party rules by putting a man forward to be Women's Officer.'

Continues at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14887747/Labour-trans-rights-biological-man-women.html

Will get the popcorn to watch to Labour Party implode

Greyskybluesky · 10/07/2025 08:51

"I am legally female, other than in regards to the Equality Act"

...said no WOMAN ever

Samiloff · 10/07/2025 08:45

zanahoria · 09/07/2025 22:36

I do not think she should be able to run but it will be interesting to see how many votes she gets

It will tell us a lot about the state of the labour party

He

Slothtoes · 10/07/2025 08:43

Agree with teawamutu
This will give Labour a chance to show if they’ve changed or not.

RoyalCorgi · 10/07/2025 08:41

This all depends, as Nebulous said, on whether the Labour Party rules specify that the women's officer must be a woman. If they don't, well, anyone can stand. If they do, then they would be breaking the law by electing Steph to the post. The Supreme Court ruling made that completely clear.

teawamutu · 10/07/2025 08:35

Maybe this is a good thing. Whether he gets in or he's barred from running it will lance the boil.

And if he is allowed to run and just doesn't win, there's no point of contention proved but there is lots of lovely useful sunlight.

GCAcademic · 10/07/2025 04:12

GallantKumquat · 10/07/2025 03:59

"These Twitter groups which, like the 'LGB Alliance' are mostly straight people and mostly men will be used to attack gay rights."

This is an outright falsehood that's been debunked on MN before. The casualness of TRAs' lies is one of the more conspicuous aspects of their debating tactics.

archive.ph/SKgCl

The whole movement is based on advocacy for lying and for those lies being accepted, so it’s hardly surprising.

GallantKumquat · 10/07/2025 03:59

BeeSouriante · 10/07/2025 02:36

"However, a gender critical group within the party, Labour LGB,"

These Twitter groups which, like the 'LGB Alliance' are mostly straight people and mostly men will be used to attack gay rights. Looking Followerwonk at these ""grassroots"" groups was always fascinating and made it very obvious that it was just the same people boosting each other.

"The "Trans Alliance" (seeking to take over the once-great LGBT+ Labour) has set out to prove this."

People picking stuff out of their arses again.

Steph Richards can go do whatever she wants, but she's completely lost in terms of where most trans people are at.

"These Twitter groups which, like the 'LGB Alliance' are mostly straight people and mostly men will be used to attack gay rights."

This is an outright falsehood that's been debunked on MN before. The casualness of TRAs' lies is one of the more conspicuous aspects of their debating tactics.

archive.ph/SKgCl

MagicSexEssence · 10/07/2025 03:47

"Nothing about us without us 😡" unless you're the wrong kind of woman.

GCAcademic · 10/07/2025 02:43

illinivich · 09/07/2025 22:26

Is there any chance that the trans officer wouldn't be trans, or the disability officer not disabled?

I’ve applied to be the trans representative on a committee at work. After all, they’re not going to do a genital check, and most of the time you can’t tell that someone is trans.

BeeSouriante · 10/07/2025 02:36

IwantToRetire · 09/07/2025 21:34

Labour has become embroiled in a fresh row over trans rights after activists put forward a biological man to be the women's officer for an LGBT+ group.

The Trans Rights Alliance, a newly formed organisation seeking to change Labour's approach to gender issues, has put forward a number of candidates for election on July 19.

One of them includes Steph Richards - a transgender woman in possession of a gender recognition certificate - who is standing for women's officer.

However, a gender critical group within the party, Labour LGB, said the move breaks party rules by 'putting a man forward to be a women's officer'.

Sharing the list of candidates, the group posted on X: 'Many people say that trans ideology is a men's rights movement.

'The "Trans Alliance" (seeking to take over the once-great LGBT+ Labour) has set out to prove this.

'Also breaking party rules by putting a man forward to be Women's Officer.'

Continues at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14887747/Labour-trans-rights-biological-man-women.html

"However, a gender critical group within the party, Labour LGB,"

These Twitter groups which, like the 'LGB Alliance' are mostly straight people and mostly men will be used to attack gay rights. Looking Followerwonk at these ""grassroots"" groups was always fascinating and made it very obvious that it was just the same people boosting each other.

"The "Trans Alliance" (seeking to take over the once-great LGBT+ Labour) has set out to prove this."

People picking stuff out of their arses again.

Steph Richards can go do whatever she wants, but she's completely lost in terms of where most trans people are at.

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