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‘The Trans Rights Alliance has put forward Steph Richards, a transgender woman in possession of a GRC, as its candidate for women’s officer’

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frazzled1 · 09/07/2025 08:16

https://x.com/JournalismSEEN/status/1942664345759940722

Labour’s Trans Rights Alliance puts male forward to be women’s officer. 🙄

https://x.com/JournalismSEEN/status/1942664345759940722

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DuesToTheDirt · 15/07/2025 20:20

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 15/07/2025 18:58

Call me cynical but I get the feeling that we just won't see the use of all women short lists from now on. Just lists that happen by pure coincidence to contain actual women and trans women.

The Scottish Greens have ditched their quotas as they were based on gender, not sex, and they refuse to acknowldge sex as a defining characteristic. "“As a proudly feminist party which recognises that trans women are women, and that non-binary people exist and are valid, it was never an option to adopt gender balancing measures which would erase these identities."

Feminist my arse.

www.holyrood.com/news/view,scottish-greens-abandon-genderbalance-quotas-after-supreme-court-ruling

borntobequiet · 15/07/2025 19:46

I bet some bonkers CLP is planning to test that rule right now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2025 19:38

Other men, obvs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2025 19:38

Mixed sex shortlists aren’t illegal, but any that was just women and “trans women” would be open to challenge from men.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 15/07/2025 19:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2025 18:59

Pretty sure those are illegal.

How can a mixed sex short list be illegal?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2025 18:59

Pretty sure those are illegal.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 15/07/2025 18:58

Call me cynical but I get the feeling that we just won't see the use of all women short lists from now on. Just lists that happen by pure coincidence to contain actual women and trans women.

Helleofabore · 15/07/2025 18:52

The extreme activists had already decided though that Starmer had abandoned them.

This is really just further fuel to that fire.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2025 18:50

There are going to be some almighty tantrums…

CompleteGinasaur · 15/07/2025 17:06

Thats... pretty unequivocal. I'm actually kind of staggered!

Helleofabore · 15/07/2025 16:59

Yep!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2025 16:55

Wow, only took 8 years to get there!

Helleofabore · 15/07/2025 16:16

Well, looking at this link, it seems like this is significant.

https://labour.org.uk/resources/supreme-court-judgment-faqs/

Can we operate an All Women Shortlist (AWS) for our upcoming selection process?

The Party can use single sex shortlists lawfully only when biological women are underrepresented among the Party’s current cohort in the relevant legislative body. For example, the AWS provisions in the Rule Book may only be applied in local government selections where the Labour group is not currently comprised of a majority of biological women.

Can we include trans women in an AWS?

The Supreme Court judgement has clarified that all-women shortlists must be single sex. This means that only biological women are eligible to apply for selections run on the basis of the AWS provisions in in the Rule Book.

Supreme Court Judgment FAQs – The Labour Party

Supreme Court Judgment: Frequently Asked Questions On 16 April 2025, the Supreme Court clarified that references to “women” in the Equality Act 2010 refer to biological sex (meaning the sex of a person at birth), not gender. This means that certain sex...

https://labour.org.uk/resources/supreme-court-judgment-faqs/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/07/2025 13:24

Exactly @TheOtherRaven all “trans” all the time.

TheOtherRaven · 10/07/2025 12:56

Mochudubh · 10/07/2025 08:17

If they are a Trans group within labour, the majority if not all the members of which will be trans, wouldn't it be perfectly legal to have a post of "Transwomen's Officer" only open to TW and "Transmen's Officer" only open to transmen?

Why would they not just do that?

Hmmm,🤔

Edited

No no no this goes:

You have a trans officer (who is trans)

You have an LGBT+ officer (who is trans)

and a women's officer (who is trans)

Mysteriously, all three will be male.

And be interested in NOTHING at any time other than themselves trans issues.

And this is somehow supposed to be ok.

Imnobody4 · 10/07/2025 10:35

This is just a re- run of 2018. This time its going to play out differently.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/784edb8a-02e1-11e8-9de1-e6776d524215?shareToken=da5e5d70c221a5566aff4a73fedcc82f

The founder of a crowdfunding campaign to bar transgender women from all-women shortlists has been suspended from the Labour Party after her name appeared on a “secret hit list” submitted to party officials.

Jennifer James, 51, a Labour activist, set up the campaign this month to fund a legal challenge to the decision to open all-women shortlists up to “all self- defining women” regardless of their legal gender. She says that she supports greater representation of transgender people but that that should not mean fewer places for those born female.

Labour suspends activist in transgender row

The founder of a crowdfunding campaign to bar transgender women from all-women shortlists has been suspended from the Labour Party after her name appeared on

https://www.thetimes.com/article/784edb8a-02e1-11e8-9de1-e6776d524215?shareToken=da5e5d70c221a5566aff4a73fedcc82f

Mochudubh · 10/07/2025 08:17

If they are a Trans group within labour, the majority if not all the members of which will be trans, wouldn't it be perfectly legal to have a post of "Transwomen's Officer" only open to TW and "Transmen's Officer" only open to transmen?

Why would they not just do that?

Hmmm,🤔

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 10/07/2025 08:06

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 09/07/2025 11:51

Of course they have. TWAW donchaknow?!

Not just women, the best women, better at womaning than actual women who keep doing it wrong. 🙄

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 10/07/2025 08:05

IDontHateRainbows · 10/07/2025 05:53

I went to a music event recently and the headline artist was trans. The event was not in any way related to trans rights and I didn't even know they were trans before I went as I was purely into the music. They had to bang on at the end about trans this and trans that and I was just thinking...shut up, it's irrelevant.

Relentlessly bang on about their transness is A OK, but don't forget using a gender neutral toilet would be outting!

TheOtherRaven · 10/07/2025 07:55

I wonder how many times we have told them this would come and the longer they stuck their heads in the sand and their arses in the air, the worse it would be when it happened?

No, no sympathy whatsoever here either. Actions say a lot more than the waffle does and the actions have not valued or cared about women in any way.

Floisme · 10/07/2025 07:35

I feel a bit sorry for the Labour Party having to deal with this.

Just joking! I might have done at one time but now I have no sympathy whatsoever.

They cancelled (sorry ‘postponed’) their own women’s conference rather than deal with this head on. And now here we are.

IDontHateRainbows · 10/07/2025 05:53

PrettyDamnCosmic · 09/07/2025 11:21

For some transexuals it seems that being "trans" totally dominates their identities & their whole shtick is about being "trans". I don't know whether this is just a vocal minority or whether it's the same for all transexuals. I suspect it is a majority if not all of them because of the constant reminders about their disorder what with the post-surgical problems, lifelong cross-sex hormones & the ever present anxiety about "passing".

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I went to a music event recently and the headline artist was trans. The event was not in any way related to trans rights and I didn't even know they were trans before I went as I was purely into the music. They had to bang on at the end about trans this and trans that and I was just thinking...shut up, it's irrelevant.

SabrinaThwaite · 10/07/2025 05:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2025 23:15

Yes, remember when they went on Woman’s Hour?

I miss Emma Barnett on Woman’s Hour.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2025 23:21

I remember them being sure to make a point that endometriosis wasn’t in any way a women’s issue because men got it too, both “trans men” and actual men 🙄

Toseland · 09/07/2025 23:18

Smuggy McSmugface.

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