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Pronouns in work signatures- how do I stop it?

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SloppyThePoodle · 08/07/2025 10:55

My employer has just mentioned they want people to start putting pronouns in email signatures. They have said it isn't mandatory. My question is, should I contact management to explain why this isn't a good idea, and if so, what sources can I provide?
Thanks all
(Hope i posted this in the right place)

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Brefugee · 10/07/2025 15:34

WaterWall22 · 08/07/2025 14:43

I put my pronouns on my signature, did it even before it became a 'thing'. Like some others before on this thread I was often mistaken for a man because of my name, the pronouns remove any confusion.
I don't think they are a big deal as long as it's not compulsory.

whereas i spent years signing off with Initial Lastname and did a quick check of emails before sending to remove all the "this was written by a woman" markers.

My email address has been initial & lastname for ever, and it often surprises people when they speak to me on the phone, or meet me for the first time, that I'm not a grumpy old man but a tattooed lady with candyfloss pink hair.

Make of that what you will, but unlike my she/her or Ms/Mrs or obviously female named colleagues, i was never second guessed on my competence.

englishwitch · 08/07/2025 15:17

SerendipityJane · 08/07/2025 12:16

Point out that it’s unlawful and could ‘out’ people who don’t want to be outed.

But it's not mandatory ...

Doesn’t matter, they shouldn’t be mentioning it at all, let alone asking for voluntary use.

FormerAnywhere · 08/07/2025 14:57

Just don't do it. Others won't either. Just don't give this nonsense oxygen.

If you're asked why you've opted out (unlikely), say you don't feel it's necessary to draw attention to the fact that you're a woman/man in the workplace, "gender" is not relevant to email interactions, and you're surprised at the suggestion it would be.

Out-woke them basically.

SloppyThePoodle · 08/07/2025 14:51

BettyBooper · 08/07/2025 13:54

Oh and @SloppyThePoodle how on earth are your employers only just getting round to this now??

I thought this had long since died a death.

(Clearly just wishful thinking)

Well, quite! It does seem late, and after the ideology has all but been debunked through the supreme court. I was hoping we would continue to focus on more important things but clearly not. There is a new focus on "pride month" so perhaps some new HR person is into it and is trying to drag all us dinosaurs into the 21st century? I have no idea. It will be interesting to see how many people change their signatures.

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SloppyThePoodle · 08/07/2025 14:49

ComeTheMoment · 08/07/2025 14:43

My automatic reaction was to say you don’t need to do it and leave it at that. On the other hand, if it becomes a workplace culture,it might stop others referring to you as ‘they’ and ‘their’ if you haven’t made it explicit. Sorry – it’s really hard not to be part of a system, however new.

I very much doubt anyone will start to refer to me as "they" but even if they did, quite frankly I couldn't summon up the energy to care!

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SerendipityJane · 08/07/2025 14:48

Fargo79 · 08/07/2025 14:27

Wow. Main character syndrome 😅

I actually haven't noticed your comment and had another PP in mind when I wrote mine.

I have spent a lifetime with people for who it is "all about me".

Sadly it can rub off on one.

ComeTheMoment · 08/07/2025 14:43

My automatic reaction was to say you don’t need to do it and leave it at that. On the other hand, if it becomes a workplace culture,it might stop others referring to you as ‘they’ and ‘their’ if you haven’t made it explicit. Sorry – it’s really hard not to be part of a system, however new.

WaterWall22 · 08/07/2025 14:43

I put my pronouns on my signature, did it even before it became a 'thing'. Like some others before on this thread I was often mistaken for a man because of my name, the pronouns remove any confusion.
I don't think they are a big deal as long as it's not compulsory.

WithSilverBells · 08/07/2025 14:32

Not a soul from Engineering, Projects nor Finance added pronouns and viewed HR as the intellectual weak link of the company.

Which, to be fair, it probably is

Fargo79 · 08/07/2025 14:27

SerendipityJane · 08/07/2025 12:40

I do think people pointing out it's not mandatory as a way of minimising the issue is disingenuous. I

Who said I was minimising ? Mandatory isn't a spectrum. It either is. Or it isn't.

Believe you me, the best thing to do - and which was always the best thing - is to studiously ignore all of this bollocks. If you choose to froth about it, you merely give it a legitimacy it really doesn't deserve.

I sometimes wonder how I managed to grow up without this burning urge to fill in every box on every form that was waved before me. Yet even now, in 2025, I read post after post of people agonising over what they should put in an optional field on an optional form.

Wow. Main character syndrome 😅

I actually haven't noticed your comment and had another PP in mind when I wrote mine.

Notfinanciallyresponsibleforyou · 08/07/2025 14:23

I worked for an high tech engineering company where the HR department tried the pronoun thing. I didn’t think the workforce view of HR dept could drop any further but it did and they took marketing dept with them. Not a soul from Engineering, Projects nor Finance added pronouns and viewed HR as the intellectual weak link of the company.

ThreeWordHarpy · 08/07/2025 14:22

Is this still a thing? After reading about the gender bias revealed when Martin Schneider and Nicole Hallberg swapped email accounts, I decided there was no reason whatsoever to draw attention to the fact I am female. I have a unisex name and am sometimes referred to as “he” (funnily enough by people misreading my name because my surname can also be a man’s name), but I am also totally unbothered.

I can only think of one person outside of HR that has pronouns in their email signature and they also have a unisex name, so I can only assume it matters to them how they are perceived and addressed. I’ve never met them in person so I don’t actually know their sex, but their sex has bugger all to do with the job we do so it’s not a big deal.

MsMiniver · 08/07/2025 14:19

My wonderful previous boss, a middle aged woman, when this was launched at our work said “it’s OK I’ll take my chances being misgendered”.

SerendipityJane · 08/07/2025 14:17

Nicflowers82 · 08/07/2025 14:10

I love that you did this 👏 . You’d be my all time favourite colleague 🤣

(If mandatory) a much much better way is to change your pronouns daily. And make a big stink if they aren't used correctly.

SerendipityJane · 08/07/2025 14:14

RobinEllacotStrike · 08/07/2025 13:50

Why do you need to know how someone feels about their gender identity when you email them?

English has always had "they/their" for situations where someones sex isn't clear. The fact it isn't the linguistic default is merely proof positive of the rarity of women in the workplace.

Nicflowers82 · 08/07/2025 14:10

mustytrusty · 08/07/2025 13:54

We had this. I put mine down as he/him (I am a woman, 57 with a matronly bosom 😄) and nobody has said a single word about it. Makes me laugh. I might take it off now though as I've noticed fewer people have theirs listed now.

I love that you did this 👏 . You’d be my all time favourite colleague 🤣

MagpiePi · 08/07/2025 14:03

Christinapple · 08/07/2025 12:42

Some names aren't obvious if they are male or female, so pronouns can save time for others to know how to address them without needing to ask.

How on earth do you think we managed before pronouns in email signatures?

You would address Alex, as Alex on emails and if you actually met them it would be obvious whether they were male or female, or another colleague might refer to them as she or he.
Nobody got offended and felt the need to whip up an employment tribunal for hate speech or get all the staff 're-educated'

ByGreenHiker · 08/07/2025 13:59

If it isn't mandatory I just wouldn't do it and stay quiet.

RobinEllacotStrike · 08/07/2025 13:57

StMarie4me · 08/07/2025 13:56

Our staff member called Sam was always being mistaken for a man on her emails. Declaring her gender would have been a great help to her. You’re making a mountain out of a molehill.

How would it have been a great help to her?

RobinEllacotStrike · 08/07/2025 13:56

RobinEllacotStrike · 08/07/2025 13:50

Why do you need to know how someone feels about their gender identity when you email them?

to add - pronouns don't tell you if some is male or female.

It tells you how someone feels about their own internal sense of "gender identity". Frankly I have zero interest in this. Its like knowing someones fave M&M colour.

I do not care.

StMarie4me · 08/07/2025 13:56

Our staff member called Sam was always being mistaken for a man on her emails. Declaring her gender would have been a great help to her. You’re making a mountain out of a molehill.

mustytrusty · 08/07/2025 13:54

We had this. I put mine down as he/him (I am a woman, 57 with a matronly bosom 😄) and nobody has said a single word about it. Makes me laugh. I might take it off now though as I've noticed fewer people have theirs listed now.

BettyBooper · 08/07/2025 13:54

Oh and @SloppyThePoodle how on earth are your employers only just getting round to this now??

I thought this had long since died a death.

(Clearly just wishful thinking)

GreenGully · 08/07/2025 13:50

Crap like this makes me so glad I'm not a part of the corporate world anymore.

RobinEllacotStrike · 08/07/2025 13:50

Christinapple · 08/07/2025 12:42

Some names aren't obvious if they are male or female, so pronouns can save time for others to know how to address them without needing to ask.

Why do you need to know how someone feels about their gender identity when you email them?

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