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How does it even affect you? Just be kind.

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Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 09:22

We all get this endlessly from every angle. Why do you care?
Why can't you just let this vulnerable group quietly get on with their lives?
It's just a tiny minority so go do something better with your day...

So I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread of 'ways it affects other people' and the effects of losing all logic, reason, sense of reality, and how health, safety and welfare are thrown out of the window the moment the word 'trans' is mentioned.

Please feel free to add your own with a link to what you are talking about. Especially documents relating to policy and processes that are wide open to abuse.

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Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 11:21

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 11:18

But that’s not a trans issue. They don’t have to change their name from a male name to a female name. They can just change it to a different male name and carry on being a man.

The issue with DBS checks being badly designed applies to anyone who has changed their name at all, and decided not to give their past names. It has nothing at all to do with trans people.

Trans people are not allowed to do it, which you said they are.
Trans people could, if they want to commit fraud, just the same as any person who has changed their name and chooses not to include their past names.

This is a DBS issue, not a trans issue. And it has been an issue for a long time with criminals changing their name… no need for a change of gender.

It does appear to be a trans issue, according to the title of the guidance.

The Transgender Applications Route is available to anyone, because there is no definition of Trans, that's the point.

Opening up a loophole for special people that ANYONE can exploit is the problem.

How does it even affect you? Just be kind.
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LeftieRightsHoarder · 07/07/2025 11:21

heathspeedwell · 07/07/2025 10:18

Here's what JK Rowling said for anyone not on X:
"This 'why do you care about a tiny fraction of the population?' line is, and always was, utterly ridiculous. Gender ideology has undermined freedom of speech, scientific truth, gay rights, and women's and girls' safety, privacy and dignity. It's also caused irreparable physical damage to vulnerable kids. Nobody voted for it, the vast majority of people disagree with it, yet it has been imposed, top down, by politicians, healthcare bodies, academia, sections of the media, celebrities and even the police. Its activists have threatened and enacted violence on those who've dared oppose it. People have been defamed and discriminated against for questioning it. Jobs have been lost and lives have been ruined, all for the crime of knowing that sex is real and matters.

When the smoke clears, it will be only too evident that this was never about a so-called vulnerable minority, notwithstanding the fact that some very vulnerable people have been harmed. The power dynamics underpinning our society have been reinforced, not dismantled. The loudest voices throughout this entire fiasco have been people insulated from consequences by their wealth and/or status. They aren't likely to find themselves locked in a prison cell with a 6'4" rapist who's decided his name's now Dolores. They don't need state-funded rape crisis centres, nor do they ever frequent high street changing rooms. They simper from talk show sofas about those nasty far-right bigots who don't want penises swinging around the girls' showers, secure in the knowledge that their private pool remains the safe place it always was.

Those who've benefited most from gender identity ideology are men, both trans-identified and not. Some have been rewarded for having a cross-dressing kink by access to all spaces previously reserved for women. Others have parlayed their delicious new victim status into an excuse to threaten, assault and harass women. Non-trans-identified leftybros have found a magnificent platform from which to display their own impeccably progressive credentials, by jeering and sneering at the needs of women and girls, all while patting themselves on the back for giving away rights that aren't theirs.

The actual victims in this mess have been women and children, especially the most vulnerable, gay people who've resisted the movement and paid a horrible price, and regular people working in environments where one misplaced pronoun could see you vilified or constructively dismissed. Do not tell me this is about a tiny minority. This movement has impacted society in disastrous ways, and if you had any sense, you'd be quietly deleting every trace of activist mantras, ad hominem attacks, false equivalence and circular arguments from your X feeds, because the day is fast approaching when you'll want to pretend you always saw through the craziness and never believed it for a second."

Superb. Says it all, clearly and reasonably. There’s no excuse for any sane adult pretending not to understand.

muddyford · 07/07/2025 11:21

Because I use WOMEN'S lavatories, WOMEN'S changing rooms and occasionally am in a WOMEN'S ward in hospital. I don't want some bloke in these spaces, just because he's wearing frock and lipstick. He can use the men's facilities.

Brefugee · 07/07/2025 11:19

Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 11:13

Sorry, no you do not HAVE to give your former names.

The guidance says you 'should'. There is no check to previous names and it is well known that the police have lost track of people who have changed their names and who have been previously been convicted of crimes that they should [that should word again] have been tracking. It is absolute chaos. See pic attached.

If you are asked to complete a DBS check and have a previous identity that you do not wish to be disclosed to your employer and/or on your DBS certificate, you should call or email the dedicated sensitive applications team before submitting your application. The team is experienced in dealing with sensitive cases and will advise you of the process and what you need to do.

There is NOTHING stopping a convicted paedophile from changing their name, under the guise of 'trans' as there is no definition of 'trans' and just putting their shiny new name on the application. The checking is done against that name and not any other name.

OP i said "Should" and if you read my post you will also see that i wrote that there is no mechanism to force anyone to do so

@TruthOrAlethiometer this is a conversation. Several people posted the same information at the same time pointing out that there is no way to force people to actually comply with the requirement to give their former names. Additionally if you have changed your birth certificate (afaik only people with a GRA - ie trans - can do that)

So accept (for the love of bod) that the issue has now been clarified, and indeed trans people cannot actually be forced to disclose anything and that there is no compulsion to comply, and that nobody at all has the power to force anyone to do so. "anyone" would include those with a trans identity who have an extra layer of obfuscation if they have a GRA.

ETA: and let's not forget that it is easy as pie to get a GRA now (or have i missed something there)

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 11:18

Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 11:13

Sorry, no you do not HAVE to give your former names.

The guidance says you 'should'. There is no check to previous names and it is well known that the police have lost track of people who have changed their names and who have been previously been convicted of crimes that they should [that should word again] have been tracking. It is absolute chaos. See pic attached.

If you are asked to complete a DBS check and have a previous identity that you do not wish to be disclosed to your employer and/or on your DBS certificate, you should call or email the dedicated sensitive applications team before submitting your application. The team is experienced in dealing with sensitive cases and will advise you of the process and what you need to do.

There is NOTHING stopping a convicted paedophile from changing their name, under the guise of 'trans' as there is no definition of 'trans' and just putting their shiny new name on the application. The checking is done against that name and not any other name.

But that’s not a trans issue. They don’t have to change their name from a male name to a female name. They can just change it to a different male name and carry on being a man.

The issue with DBS checks being badly designed applies to anyone who has changed their name at all, and decided not to give their past names. It has nothing at all to do with trans people.

Trans people are not allowed to do it, which you said they are.
Trans people could, if they want to commit fraud, just the same as any person who has changed their name and chooses not to include their past names.

This is a DBS issue, not a trans issue. And it has been an issue for a long time with criminals changing their name… no need for a change of gender.

BadIdeaRight · 07/07/2025 11:15

Anything that affects women as a class affects me.

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 11:14

Helleofabore · 07/07/2025 11:10

Did you read the link that the OP linked up?

The Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) offers a confidential checking service for transgender applicants in accordance with the Gender Recognition Act 2004. This is known as the sensitive applications route, and is available for all levels of DBS check - basic, standard and enhanced.

The sensitive applications route gives transgender applicants the choice not to have any gender or name information disclosed on their DBS certificate, that could reveal their previous gender identity.

Just to be clear, this is the pertinent point that I believe may be relevant to the OP's post.

The sensitive applications route gives transgender applicants the choice not to have any gender or name information disclosed on their DBS certificate, that could reveal their previous gender identity.

So, can you please explain to us which other group of people get a provision where they don't have to disclose their sex to their employer and on a DBS certificate?

That’s not what the OP is saying. And she has actually posted again, still arguing that she is correct in what she thinks.

She thinks they are allowed to fill in the DBS check form without including their past names. They are not.

Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 11:13

Brefugee · 07/07/2025 11:05

they are not. If you apply for a DBS check, you have to give your former names.

Safeguarding should mean that all the names are linked and are kept in a database somewhere so that if one of the names is checked, the check automatically includes those other names. The person checking need never know about this and only know about the name they are checking. This preserves the (fiction) that someone is now M when they were born F and vice versa. It doesn't "out" them, even in cases where it is absolutely obvious that they are trans.

Sorry, no you do not HAVE to give your former names.

The guidance says you 'should'. There is no check to previous names and it is well known that the police have lost track of people who have changed their names and who have been previously been convicted of crimes that they should [that should word again] have been tracking. It is absolute chaos. See pic attached.

If you are asked to complete a DBS check and have a previous identity that you do not wish to be disclosed to your employer and/or on your DBS certificate, you should call or email the dedicated sensitive applications team before submitting your application. The team is experienced in dealing with sensitive cases and will advise you of the process and what you need to do.

There is NOTHING stopping a convicted paedophile from changing their name, under the guise of 'trans' as there is no definition of 'trans' and just putting their shiny new name on the application. The checking is done against that name and not any other name.

How does it even affect you? Just be kind.
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Helleofabore · 07/07/2025 11:12

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 10:54

Again… very slowly.. the OP claims that trans people are ALLOWED to do this, while no one else is.

Again... very slowly... read the link the OP posted....

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 11:12

Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 11:01

It is literally called 'guidance - transgender applications'.

Yes, I know the guidance well. That’s not what it says. Not at all. You are quite literally making it up.

Trans people are not allowed to leave their names off. No where does it say that. They are not allowed.

There are plenty of other issues around identify changes and altering birth certificates which are hugely problematic. Talk about those. But this? You’re making this up. Trans people have not been given permission to leave their old names off their DBS application.

I think what you’ve misunderstood is that their old names are left off the disclosure certificate. That means when their employer is shown the certificate, it will not list their old names. They must still put their old names on the application (and can speak to the sensitive team for help around this like anyone can) but their old names will not be told to their employer.

Helleofabore · 07/07/2025 11:11

I have cross posted I see!

The more the merrier though.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/07/2025 11:10

Oh and it affects me because now everytime time I see the word woman or women I don’t know if it means actual women of the original boring oppressed throughout the centuries kind or the new shiny kind of women with prostates

Helleofabore · 07/07/2025 11:10

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 10:54

Again… very slowly.. the OP claims that trans people are ALLOWED to do this, while no one else is.

Did you read the link that the OP linked up?

The Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) offers a confidential checking service for transgender applicants in accordance with the Gender Recognition Act 2004. This is known as the sensitive applications route, and is available for all levels of DBS check - basic, standard and enhanced.

The sensitive applications route gives transgender applicants the choice not to have any gender or name information disclosed on their DBS certificate, that could reveal their previous gender identity.

Just to be clear, this is the pertinent point that I believe may be relevant to the OP's post.

The sensitive applications route gives transgender applicants the choice not to have any gender or name information disclosed on their DBS certificate, that could reveal their previous gender identity.

So, can you please explain to us which other group of people get a provision where they don't have to disclose their sex to their employer and on a DBS certificate?

Brefugee · 07/07/2025 11:09

ok i went to check the link. For the complete avoidance of doubt i have c/p the text and there will be a screenshot when it gets through the modding process.

The Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) offers a confidential checking service for transgender applicants in accordance with the Gender Recognition Act 2004. This is known as the sensitive applications route, and is available for all levels of DBS check - basic, standard and enhanced.
The sensitive applications route gives transgender applicants the choice not to have any gender or name information disclosed on their DBS certificate, that could reveal their previous gender identity.
[my italics]

My understanding of this is that if you wish, because of your transgender identity, you should contact the sensitive applications team. But there is no way of enforcing that.

I suspect that most people, transgender or not, will complete the forms honestly, and those with a transgender identity will also do this by contacting this team.

HOWEVER: there will be people, transgender and not, who do not do this, and there is no way to force them to comply. That is a safeguarding issue any way you look at it.

ETA: sorry simulpost with Arabella

How does it even affect you? Just be kind.
Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/07/2025 11:08

I see the derailing tactics have already begun with a hyper focus on one thing and a complete ignoring of posters who have linked to further context/information

ArabellaScott · 07/07/2025 11:06

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/transgender-applications

'The Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) offers a confidential checking service for transgender applicants in accordance with the Gender Recognition Act 2004. This is known as the sensitive applications route, and is available for all levels of DBS check - basic, standard and enhanced.
The sensitive applications route gives transgender applicants the choice not to have any gender or name information disclosed on their DBS certificate, that could reveal their previous gender identity.
The sensitive applications team
If you are asked to complete a DBS check and have a previous identity that you do not wish to be disclosed to your employer and/or on your DBS certificate, you should call or email the dedicated sensitive applications team before submitting your application. The team is experienced in dealing with sensitive cases and will advise you of the process and what you need to do.'

Transgender applications

Guidance and information regarding the sensitive applications route for transgender applicants.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/transgender-applications

Brefugee · 07/07/2025 11:05

Grammarnut · 07/07/2025 10:56

I suspect that former names are linked to your new name - indeed that is inevitable - and there is no rule of privacy if investigation is being made. But it is illegal to dig out a transperson's former identity as it is a violation of their privacy. Honestly, I don't see why it is so, since if I change my name I can still be traced.

they are not. If you apply for a DBS check, you have to give your former names.

Safeguarding should mean that all the names are linked and are kept in a database somewhere so that if one of the names is checked, the check automatically includes those other names. The person checking need never know about this and only know about the name they are checking. This preserves the (fiction) that someone is now M when they were born F and vice versa. It doesn't "out" them, even in cases where it is absolutely obvious that they are trans.

Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 11:01

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 10:38

That’s not what the OP claimed. The OP claims that trans people are the only group of people who are ALLOWED to leave their old names off a DBS form.

They are not allowed. That’s what are are talking about. People like OP spreading misinformation.

Trans people must fill out their old names just like everyone else who has changed their name. If they choose not to, then they are committing fraud, just like anyone else who chooses not to.

Any criminal can change their name and then go through DBS without declaring their old name, and DBS don’t always catch it. This has nothing to do with being trans.

The OP claims that trans people are actually allowed to do this. They are not. So they’re not being given special treatment.

It is literally called 'guidance - transgender applications'.

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Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 11:00

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 10:16

The OP is claiming that trans people are actually allowed to leave their old names off the form, and only be checked on their new names. As if that actually allowed and all OK, while everyone else must include all their names. She is claiming that this is one of the ways she is treated differently to trans people and affected by them.

The OP is making that up. Trans people are not allowed to leave their old names off, just like married woman cannot leave their old names off. They must include all their old names.

If you leave names off, DBS may not be able to verify your identity and the application can fail. Or sometimes it will go through as they don’t have a database of old names and the system doesn’t always work… but literally any criminal can do that. Anyone can change their name for any reason and then fill out their DBS with their new name and leave the old one off. You don’t need to provide a birth certificate if you have enough of the other forms of ID (passport, driving license, marriage certificate in your new name). And possible get it approved without DBS realising you had an old identity.

This applies to anyone of any sex or gender. Any criminal can do that. It’s fraud, just like it is fraud for a trans person to do it.

The OP seems to be implying that trans people are doing this more than any other person or any criminal and that trans people are actually ALLOWED to do this. They are not.

Edited

I'm not making it up. It is literally in the guidance linked.

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Grammarnut · 07/07/2025 10:56

AidaP · 07/07/2025 09:50

And this post shows that you got no idea what are you talking about.

Anyone in the UK can change their name as often as they wish and there is no governmental mechanism to, well, govern or limit it. You fill in a deed poll and you are done, send it over to related places, and your documents get updated. There is no "reason" field on a deed poll.

So you are literally making things up to create problems as trans-related.

I suspect that former names are linked to your new name - indeed that is inevitable - and there is no rule of privacy if investigation is being made. But it is illegal to dig out a transperson's former identity as it is a violation of their privacy. Honestly, I don't see why it is so, since if I change my name I can still be traced.

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 10:54

Helleofabore · 07/07/2025 10:49

so, the OP didn't include the full information. Other posters have filled you in on exactly what the context of the OP's post is referring to. And you just keep doubling down.

You have focused on one thing and one thing only and you have seemingly refused to engage with the wider information. You even accused Mrs O when she posted the information for you.

"The OP claims that trans people are actually allowed to do this. They are not. So they’re not being given special treatment."

I am not speaking for the OP. But the 'special treatment' that I can see, that has been described in further detail in the link given by Mrs O, is that only one group get to change the sex marker on their birth certificate and other identification documents which then will act to confuse the process.

Again… very slowly.. the OP claims that trans people are ALLOWED to do this, while no one else is.

PermanentTemporary · 07/07/2025 10:50

I’m required to accept that a male person should be in the alumni association for my women’s sports team, something that is very important to me. I know that’s unbelievably niche and that nobody else would care, but I care.

I watch young women and girls around me telling everyone that they are men. They’re not. It certainly distresses me, though that’s very personal, and the self harm they are doing with surgical support bothers me too. It is factually wrong and I’m upset by being forced to acquiesce in things that aren’t true. I grew up in a churchgoing household and became an atheist, so I had a long period of many years trying to reconcile how to deal with religious practice requiring me to say things I didn’t believe; I’m quite sensitive to that now as well.

Helleofabore · 07/07/2025 10:50

'You lot'.

Ok. Good to know.

Helleofabore · 07/07/2025 10:49

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 10:38

That’s not what the OP claimed. The OP claims that trans people are the only group of people who are ALLOWED to leave their old names off a DBS form.

They are not allowed. That’s what are are talking about. People like OP spreading misinformation.

Trans people must fill out their old names just like everyone else who has changed their name. If they choose not to, then they are committing fraud, just like anyone else who chooses not to.

Any criminal can change their name and then go through DBS without declaring their old name, and DBS don’t always catch it. This has nothing to do with being trans.

The OP claims that trans people are actually allowed to do this. They are not. So they’re not being given special treatment.

so, the OP didn't include the full information. Other posters have filled you in on exactly what the context of the OP's post is referring to. And you just keep doubling down.

You have focused on one thing and one thing only and you have seemingly refused to engage with the wider information. You even accused Mrs O when she posted the information for you.

"The OP claims that trans people are actually allowed to do this. They are not. So they’re not being given special treatment."

I am not speaking for the OP. But the 'special treatment' that I can see, that has been described in further detail in the link given by Mrs O, is that only one group get to change the sex marker on their birth certificate and other identification documents which then will act to confuse the process.

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 10:47

MarieDeGournay · 07/07/2025 10:40

Thank you, Helleofabore, and what about all the points made in posts other than the OP that are not about the DBS, TruthOrAlethiometer, or are you going to keep going back to the OP?

What about the other comments? I’m not talking about those. Why would I? Are the also incorrect? If they are, then feel free to share why they are incorrect. It’s very important to use correct arguments and not spread misinformation:

The OP spread misinformation. I corrected the wrong post. You lot have continued trying to argue that the OP was correct. She wasn’t. And no one has been able to actually show the document which says that trans people are legally entitled to leave their former names off a DBS check. No one has shown how it’s any different from anyone else who has changed their identity. That’s why I keep going back to it.

When you make a mistake, you should hold your hands up and say, “oh yes, tha the actually not just a trans issue but a whole problem with DBS and anyone who changes identity.”

This thread is meant to be about why and how transgender issues can affect women’s rights. What the OP posted does not belong on this thread. The other comments do… so why do you want me to argue against those?

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