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How does it even affect you? Just be kind.

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Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 09:22

We all get this endlessly from every angle. Why do you care?
Why can't you just let this vulnerable group quietly get on with their lives?
It's just a tiny minority so go do something better with your day...

So I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread of 'ways it affects other people' and the effects of losing all logic, reason, sense of reality, and how health, safety and welfare are thrown out of the window the moment the word 'trans' is mentioned.

Please feel free to add your own with a link to what you are talking about. Especially documents relating to policy and processes that are wide open to abuse.

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TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 15:00

BuckaDuck · 07/07/2025 14:54

And you have pointed out what you believe is misinformation countless times.
We get it.
Tbe OP doesn't agree with you and you beating on about it clearly isn't going to change her mind.
Move on.

Every transwoman who has stepped foot in a female space is a villain.

Dangerous untruth you say.....what like the lie that men are women?

I don’t believe men are women. Never have. I’ve written to my MP about men in women’s spaces, no matter what they call themselves. I don’t like the lies the transactivists tell and I challenge them just as often.

But I won’t accept lies on our side either. It doesn’t help because it makes every real argument look like we’re telling another lie.

It is not a matter of opinion. This isn’t, “is purple a nice colour?”
It’s fact. The OP has misunderstood something she read but is so stubborn she won’t be educated out of it. It’s not opinion; it’s how DBS checks work and she is just wrong. No two ways about it, no difference of opinion. She is just wrong and if she goes around saying that trans people have permission to leave their old name off and hide a criminal record then it harms everything else that gets said. Because then no one can trust any of it.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 07/07/2025 14:58

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 14:21

I’ve seen it far too often on here that conversations, which are very important, are littered with misinformation and out and out lies, like someone claiming that 99.9% of DBS applications with a changed name are from trans people, are just left to stand.

Truth doesn’t seem so important to you when it’s helping make trans people or policies look like the villains. But it just undermines the whole side because you allow utter nonsense to be spouted and you support it.

There are plenty of real problems but OP can’t even hold her hands up and say, “I misunderstood.”

She still believes they can legally go through a DBS without revealing their old name so they can hide a criminal record. That is an incredibly dangerous untruth to allow.

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I’ve seen it far too often on here that conversations, which are very important, are littered with misinformation and out and out lies, like someone claiming that 99.9% of DBS applications with a changed name are from trans people, are just left to stand.
Truth doesn’t seem so important to you when it’s helping make trans people or policies look like the villains. But it just undermines the whole side because you allow utter nonsense to be spouted and you support it.

The only person who claimed that 99.9% of DBS applications with a changed name are from trans people was you.

Truth doesn’t seem so important to you when it’s helping make trans people or policies look like the innocents you claim they are. But it just undermines the whole side because you allow utter nonsense to be spouted and you support it.

BuckaDuck · 07/07/2025 14:54

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 14:21

I’ve seen it far too often on here that conversations, which are very important, are littered with misinformation and out and out lies, like someone claiming that 99.9% of DBS applications with a changed name are from trans people, are just left to stand.

Truth doesn’t seem so important to you when it’s helping make trans people or policies look like the villains. But it just undermines the whole side because you allow utter nonsense to be spouted and you support it.

There are plenty of real problems but OP can’t even hold her hands up and say, “I misunderstood.”

She still believes they can legally go through a DBS without revealing their old name so they can hide a criminal record. That is an incredibly dangerous untruth to allow.

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And you have pointed out what you believe is misinformation countless times.
We get it.
Tbe OP doesn't agree with you and you beating on about it clearly isn't going to change her mind.
Move on.

Every transwoman who has stepped foot in a female space is a villain.

Dangerous untruth you say.....what like the lie that men are women?

BackToLurk · 07/07/2025 14:54

AidaP · 07/07/2025 09:50

And this post shows that you got no idea what are you talking about.

Anyone in the UK can change their name as often as they wish and there is no governmental mechanism to, well, govern or limit it. You fill in a deed poll and you are done, send it over to related places, and your documents get updated. There is no "reason" field on a deed poll.

So you are literally making things up to create problems as trans-related.

You can’t get a new birth certificate with your new name on it you change it by deed poll though. But I suppose you know that.

How does it even affect you? Just be kind.
PrettyDamnCosmic · 07/07/2025 14:50

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/07/2025 13:08

Is it an issue that a person's birth sex and previous name(s) can be omitted from the DBS info that a Safeguarding Officer sees? In my opinion, it is. How can you do safe recruiting if you can't check someone's internet footprint because everything before a particular year is effectively hidden? DBS checks don't go looking for this sort of thing - they are just concerned with what the police know.

Some employers also need to know the birth sex of their employees.

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 14:48

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TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 14:47

Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 14:40

By they I don't mean 'trans' people I mean anyone. Because anyone can be 'trans' by just saying 'I'm trans'.

No one can legally leave their past names off. No one.

Anyone doing that is committing fraud and anyone can commit fraud, you don’t need to be trans and trans guidelines do not allow for fraud.

Any person filling in the DBS will be asked for ALL PREVIOUS NAMES. Every single person, trans or not.

Trans people can then call up, if they want to, and ask for their old name to be redacted. This does not remove their name from
the check. All their names are checked for criminal history and then all of that history will be shown. Just their old name will be redacted.

They do not have to call that number. They don’t have to ask for their name to be redacted if they don’t want to. It will make no difference at all to the criminal record check that is carried out.

You are wrong. There is no legal route for a trans person to leave their name off.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/07/2025 14:46

It's so interesting to see in real life the impact that the sacred caste have - even on here with posters frantically derailing until women bow the knee and agree to their interpretation of things.

Be kind only ever goes one way - and it never includes women seeking to safeguard children and the vulnerable.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/07/2025 14:43

BabaYagasHouse · 07/07/2025 14:32

Thank you heathspeedwell.
Great to have a copy of this.
It pretty much covers it I think.

Isn't is an excellent summary - especially this?
"The actual victims in this mess have been women and children, especially the most vulnerable, gay people who've resisted the movement and paid a horrible price, and regular people working in environments where one misplaced pronoun could see you vilified or constructively dismissed. Do not tell me this is about a tiny minority. This movement has impacted society in disastrous ways, and if you had any sense, you'd be quietly deleting every trace of activist mantras, ad hominem attacks, false equivalence and circular arguments from your X feeds, because the day is fast approaching when you'll want to pretend you always saw through the craziness and never believed it for a second".

PrettyDamnCosmic · 07/07/2025 14:42

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 12:58

There are some absolute whoppers on this thread.

99.99% of DBS checks with a name change are apparently from trans people.

The only reason DBS check fraud is even possible at all is because there is recent trans guidance which only affects what name is displayed on the certificate. And you can only commit this fraud by claiming to be trans.

Absolute donkeys making this shit up.

Yet, people are meant to take this place seriously.

There are some absolute whoppers on this thread.

For example nobody except @TruthOrAlethiometer wrote "99.99% of DBS checks with a name change are apparently from trans people."

Absolute donkeys like @TruthOrAlethiometer are making this shit up.

Yet, people are meant to take their opinions seriously.

Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 14:40

Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 14:26

She still believes they can legally go through a DBS without revealing their old name so they can hide a criminal record. That is an incredibly dangerous untruth to allow

They absoluely can legally not reveal their old name.

Because the trans guidance says they SHOULD call the trans loophole hotline. It doesn't say they MUST. It doesn't say they even have to stay on the trans loophole hotline and talk to someone and declare all their old names. Nothing in the guidance says they HAVE to do anything.

By they I don't mean 'trans' people I mean anyone. Because anyone can be 'trans' by just saying 'I'm trans'.

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TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 14:40

PrettyDamnCosmic · 07/07/2025 14:30

Once again you are deliberately misinterpreting what I wrote. Obviously I need to spell it out again.

Almost all male transsexuals applying for a DBS certificate will have changed their name.

Almost no male non-transsexuals applying for a DBS certificate will have changed their name.

I also mentioned women using their maiden name & married name. I am sure that women as a group account for the vast majority of name changes BUT I was referring to male transexuals as the group with the highest percentage of name changes.

If name changes are an issue for DBS certificates then proportionately transexuals pose the greatest threat because they all change their names. Your statistic that only 30% of transexuals change their name is frankly risible. In my experience they all do. Men who claim they have changed their sex do not keep their sexed deadname.

Legally change their name.

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 14:38

Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 14:26

She still believes they can legally go through a DBS without revealing their old name so they can hide a criminal record. That is an incredibly dangerous untruth to allow

They absoluely can legally not reveal their old name.

Because the trans guidance says they SHOULD call the trans loophole hotline. It doesn't say they MUST. It doesn't say they even have to stay on the trans loophole hotline and talk to someone and declare all their old names. Nothing in the guidance says they HAVE to do anything.

You still don’t understands. It says they should call the hotline if they want their name redacted from the certificate so their employer doesn’t see it, but if they’re happy for their employer to see their old name then they don’t need to call.

That guidance is not in relation to filling in the form. It’s just about whether they want their name redacted or not.

When filling in the form, their guidance is the same as everyone else’s. They must include all past names. If they don’t then it is fraud, the same fraud everyone else can commit.

Trans people do not need to call the hotline if they don’t want to, because they may not care if their old name is shown. It’s an option.

Their old name is still checked against the police databases. It’s the same criminal record check that everyone else goes through. They are not allowed to leave their old names off, there is no special system for them to do so, they cannot legally hide their criminal record. The only way to do that is fraud.

A trans person with a new name is no different to a married woman with a new name when it comes to DBS. And married woman do not have to call up a hotline to declare it and give their old name or whatever you think happens.

The form is the same for everyone. Trans people fill in the same form with the same guidance attached. All old names.

They then have the OPTION of calling that hotline and asking that their old name be redacted so their employee can’t see it. That comes with its own arguments about whether or not that’s right, but it’s not what you think it is.

They cannot legally leave their name off the form. They don’t have to speak to anyone about that, just like married women who change their names. There is absolutely no legal route for a trans person to leave their name off and hide their criminal record and they don’t need to speak to anyone about that.

MyQuirkyTraybake · 07/07/2025 14:38

I'm not playing this game.

There's urinals and loos in the mens. The majority of trans identified people are pre op (95%) but that's also post op covered too.

Men need to be kind and accept more diversity in their spaces and stop threatening transwomen.

BabaYagasHouse · 07/07/2025 14:32

heathspeedwell · 07/07/2025 10:18

Here's what JK Rowling said for anyone not on X:
"This 'why do you care about a tiny fraction of the population?' line is, and always was, utterly ridiculous. Gender ideology has undermined freedom of speech, scientific truth, gay rights, and women's and girls' safety, privacy and dignity. It's also caused irreparable physical damage to vulnerable kids. Nobody voted for it, the vast majority of people disagree with it, yet it has been imposed, top down, by politicians, healthcare bodies, academia, sections of the media, celebrities and even the police. Its activists have threatened and enacted violence on those who've dared oppose it. People have been defamed and discriminated against for questioning it. Jobs have been lost and lives have been ruined, all for the crime of knowing that sex is real and matters.

When the smoke clears, it will be only too evident that this was never about a so-called vulnerable minority, notwithstanding the fact that some very vulnerable people have been harmed. The power dynamics underpinning our society have been reinforced, not dismantled. The loudest voices throughout this entire fiasco have been people insulated from consequences by their wealth and/or status. They aren't likely to find themselves locked in a prison cell with a 6'4" rapist who's decided his name's now Dolores. They don't need state-funded rape crisis centres, nor do they ever frequent high street changing rooms. They simper from talk show sofas about those nasty far-right bigots who don't want penises swinging around the girls' showers, secure in the knowledge that their private pool remains the safe place it always was.

Those who've benefited most from gender identity ideology are men, both trans-identified and not. Some have been rewarded for having a cross-dressing kink by access to all spaces previously reserved for women. Others have parlayed their delicious new victim status into an excuse to threaten, assault and harass women. Non-trans-identified leftybros have found a magnificent platform from which to display their own impeccably progressive credentials, by jeering and sneering at the needs of women and girls, all while patting themselves on the back for giving away rights that aren't theirs.

The actual victims in this mess have been women and children, especially the most vulnerable, gay people who've resisted the movement and paid a horrible price, and regular people working in environments where one misplaced pronoun could see you vilified or constructively dismissed. Do not tell me this is about a tiny minority. This movement has impacted society in disastrous ways, and if you had any sense, you'd be quietly deleting every trace of activist mantras, ad hominem attacks, false equivalence and circular arguments from your X feeds, because the day is fast approaching when you'll want to pretend you always saw through the craziness and never believed it for a second."

Thank you heathspeedwell.
Great to have a copy of this.
It pretty much covers it I think.

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 07/07/2025 14:31

Trans people may not be "allowed" to hide their previous names for a DBS check, but it's definitely easier for them.

Other ways I'm affected by trans idealogy.

I've been told (not a law, but in a social group I used to love) that I need to refer to myself as a birthing parent not a mum/ mother because the TW finds it too upsetting as 'she' will never be a mother. Neither will my infertile friend unless she adopts, but she would never expect me to stop referring to myself as a mum, because I am.

I can't get laser treatment on the NHS for my PCOS beard, but my TW friend can get it because of "the distress that being a woman with a beard causes". I know how upsetting it is. I'm a woman with a fucking beard. And no, stopping this treatment for TW doesnt mean I would get it instead, but either it's available to "women" or it isn't.

Plus I don't want male people (which is what TW are) in any of the places where I feel vulnerable. Be that toilets, changing rooms or medical settings.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 07/07/2025 14:30

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 12:44

Again, not true.

You realised almost all married women (until more recently of course) have changed their name. And lots and lots of married women apply for DBS checks.

The majority of name changes in this country are not anywhere near to being trans people. Only around 30% of trans people legally change their name. They are a very small percentage of legal name changes. They certainly don’t make up 99.9% of DBS applications.

Millions of people have changed their name. Millions. And any one of them doing a job requiring a check will have applied for DBS.

It is not a loophole for trans people. Jesus Christ. And trans people do not make up the majority of DBS checks with a name change.

It also doesn’t matter because they have to follow the same rules as everyone else!

Once again you are deliberately misinterpreting what I wrote. Obviously I need to spell it out again.

Almost all male transsexuals applying for a DBS certificate will have changed their name.

Almost no male non-transsexuals applying for a DBS certificate will have changed their name.

I also mentioned women using their maiden name & married name. I am sure that women as a group account for the vast majority of name changes BUT I was referring to male transexuals as the group with the highest percentage of name changes.

If name changes are an issue for DBS certificates then proportionately transexuals pose the greatest threat because they all change their names. Your statistic that only 30% of transexuals change their name is frankly risible. In my experience they all do. Men who claim they have changed their sex do not keep their sexed deadname.

Shedmistress · 07/07/2025 14:26

She still believes they can legally go through a DBS without revealing their old name so they can hide a criminal record. That is an incredibly dangerous untruth to allow

They absoluely can legally not reveal their old name.

Because the trans guidance says they SHOULD call the trans loophole hotline. It doesn't say they MUST. It doesn't say they even have to stay on the trans loophole hotline and talk to someone and declare all their old names. Nothing in the guidance says they HAVE to do anything.

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TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 14:25

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/07/2025 14:22

No adult should be allowed to hide their birth sex if they want to work with children - ever.
It undermines safeguarding children and potentially exposes girls to voyeurism in changing rooms, inappropriate intimate contact (nappy changes for children with SEN) and raises a whole host of other issues.

There shouldn't be a sensitive applications route for any group of adults.

The safety of children matters so much more than the niche demands of adults who claim to have changed sex.

I agree. But that’s not what the OP was complaining about, was it? She believe trans people have been given a legal route to hide their criminal record because she thinks the check is onto carried out on their new name. Not true.

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 14:24

Threads which open with misinformation should be killed.

The truth:
Trans people can have their past names redacted from their DBS certificate after going through the full process but all their criminal past will remain on the certificate.

The OP:
Trans people are the only group legally allowed to leave their past names off the DBS application and therefore hide a criminal history, and anyone can be trans so all criminals can legally hide their criminal history.

That is entirely untrue.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/07/2025 14:22

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 13:48

You do not need to send in your birth certificate so you do not need to show your birth name. You can send in supporting documents only showing your new name. That’s how this fraud is committed and has nothing at all to do with trans people. And there is no way to connect you to your old name as DBS don’t do that. They use the information you provide. That’s always been the case, fraud has always been possible, nothing at all to do with trans people or trans guidelines.

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No adult should be allowed to hide their birth sex if they want to work with children - ever.
It undermines safeguarding children and potentially exposes girls to voyeurism in changing rooms, inappropriate intimate contact (nappy changes for children with SEN) and raises a whole host of other issues.

There shouldn't be a sensitive applications route for any group of adults.

The safety of children matters so much more than the niche demands of adults who claim to have changed sex.

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 14:21

BuckaDuck · 07/07/2025 14:16

Honestly OP this poster has killed the thread which I believe was always their intention.

Maybe if we ignore their constant repetitive posts and focus on the other vast examples posters have talked about they may shut up.

I’ve seen it far too often on here that conversations, which are very important, are littered with misinformation and out and out lies, like someone claiming that 99.9% of DBS applications with a changed name are from trans people, are just left to stand.

Truth doesn’t seem so important to you when it’s helping make trans people or policies look like the villains. But it just undermines the whole side because you allow utter nonsense to be spouted and you support it.

There are plenty of real problems but OP can’t even hold her hands up and say, “I misunderstood.”

She still believes they can legally go through a DBS without revealing their old name so they can hide a criminal record. That is an incredibly dangerous untruth to allow.

Notfinanciallyresponsibleforyou · 07/07/2025 14:20

The Be kind campaign doesn’t work on women any more. We have had enough thank you very much.

BuckaDuck · 07/07/2025 14:16

Honestly OP this poster has killed the thread which I believe was always their intention.

Maybe if we ignore their constant repetitive posts and focus on the other vast examples posters have talked about they may shut up.

TruthOrAlethiometer · 07/07/2025 14:07

Arran2024 · 07/07/2025 13:59

But we are not talking about these other, fraudulent people. We are talking about trans people with a new ID.

They dont even need to bother going to the measures these other fraudsters do.

Other fraudsters always run the risk of being caught. That their fraudulent applications will be discovered.

A trans person will never be caught out like the fraudsters because we as a society have handed them the new ID on a plate.

Sure they have not revealed the old ID and that's an offence.

But they haven't even needed to create a false trail like the fraudsters.

There is a world of difference.

But fraudsters dont create a false trail? They legally change their name, then legally change their documents to reflect that name change. It’s not a false trail. It’s a legal name change.

They can then try to cheat DBS by providing all of that and leaving off their old name. And DBS don’t have checks in place so it could get through. This is fraud and illegal.

Trans people hiding their old name do the exact same thing. Exact same thing. A trans person who leaves their old name off and sends in their documents to prove their new name, is committing the exact same fraud and it is just as illegal. It also does have the same chance of being flagged up if they check up address and bank accounts for changes. DBS just don’t.

Anyone changing their name to cheat a DBS is doing the same as any trans person trying to cheat a DBS. Being trans doesn’t make any real difference.

If DBS always required a birth certificate, then that fraud would be made much much harder for everyone else except trans people with a GRC. Then they would have an advantage and it would be a loophole just for them. But that’s not the case. Anyone can do the exact same thing because they don’t need to provide a birth certificate. This isn’t a trans issue.

(and most trans people don’t change their birth certificate, just their legal name so they actually don’t even have that extra document: it’s the exact same as any one else).