How does it even affect you? Just be kind.

I mean (a) if people are saying "be kind" a lot to you then perhaps try and work out what they're actually saying to you, (b) it's kinda hilarious that it's just an absence of 'being kind' that's the problem of GC activists. Death threats, attempting to burn people alive, frequent eliminationist rhetoric, lawfare, hooking up with far right / religious right groups, suicide baits, mocking suicides and assaults, constant use of slurs, bomb threats etc etc are, weirdly enough, not the absence of "being kind".

GCs have normalised their vileness so much that they even use slurs in legal documentation - explaining the hideousness of one routine GC slur to an MP the other day was a journey for me and a pikachu moment for her.

No, it's not the absence of 'being kind'.

I really like de Grunwald perspective on TR activism - that what ever you think about the merits of its aims, its activists exhibit a shocking lack of professionalism, good judgement and basic tact.

No-one dares say that to me. In fact no-one at work dares say anything about it to me at all. But if you want to tell people why "be kind" at work isn't kind at all this podcast episode is a good start. "Trans Inclusion at Work: Time for a New Approach" - interview of Stella O'Malley by HR commentator Tanya de Grunwald on the "This Isn't Working" podcast

https://thisisntworkingpodcast.co.uk/trans-inclusion-at-work-time-for-a-new-approach/

From the shownotes -

In trying to make our workplaces ‘inclusive’ to people who identify as trans and non-binary, have employers managed to exclude and alienate too many others? In some cases, it looks like we are actually causing distress to our colleagues, without even realising.

In this episode, Stella O’Malley, director of Genspect, explains who in your workforce is currently suffering in silence.

Consider:

• Parents of distressed children or teens who identify as trans or non-binary, who don’t believe medical transition is the right path for their child
• Estranged parents of older children who have lost touch after saying they identify as trans
• ‘Trans widows’ and children of transitioners – the exes and kids of biological males who transition later in life don’t always want to celebrate this change
• Detransitioners’ and ‘desisters’ – who identify as trans for a while, but later decide it is not the right choice for them

Do you know if these groups are in your workforce? Have you insisted they attend gender diversity training where contested ideas were presented as fact? How will they feel about your plans for Pride this summer, if the activities include uncritical affirmation of a medicalised approach to trans? And is your organisation appealing to talent from these groups, when seeking a new role?

I'm going to start with the DBS transgender option.

If you change your name because of 'trans' there is no mechanism to track your past history so it would be unbelievably simple for any ex criminal to just not put their old names down, not call the trans hotline and therefore dodge any checks on their history.

Bearing in mind that this system was set up to check history, and this is the only group of people that are allowed to do this, and there is no definition of what 'trans' is, I'm surprised that this has never been spotted by any lawyers anywhere.

www.gov.uk/guidance/transgender-applications

Well I'm guessing that on occasion people who believe sex is real may have done these things...

...But that's because 'believe sex is real' applies to that vast majority of people on the planet. Including most men. Who are most likely to do these things...

I mean (a) if people are saying "be kind" a lot to you then perhaps try and work out what they're actually saying to you, (b) it's kinda hilarious that it's just an absence of 'being kind' that's the problem of GC activists. Death threats, attempting to burn people alive, frequent eliminationist rhetoric, lawfare, hooking up with far right / religious right groups, suicide baits, mocking suicides and assaults, constant use of slurs, bomb threats etc etc are, weirdly enough, not the absence of "being kind".

GCs have normalised their vileness so much that they even use slurs in legal documentation - explaining the hideousness of one routine GC slur to an MP the other day was a journey for me and a pikachu moment for her.

No, it's not the absence of 'being kind'.

"Death threats, attempting to burn people alive, frequent eliminationist rhetoric, lawfare, hooking up with far right / religious right groups, suicide baits, mocking suicides and assaults, constant use of slurs, bomb threats etc etc are, weirdly enough, not the absence of "being kind"."

Are these supposed to be all things that feminists have done? WTAF

You don’t seem to have understood the point of the thread. Whoosh.

I mean (a) if people are saying "be kind" a lot to you then perhaps try and work out what they're actually saying to you, (b) it's kinda hilarious that it's just an absence of 'being kind' that's the problem of GC activists. Death threats, attempting to burn people alive, frequent eliminationist rhetoric, lawfare, hooking up with far right / religious right groups, suicide baits, mocking suicides and assaults, constant use of slurs, bomb threats etc etc are, weirdly enough, not the absence of "being kind".

GCs have normalised their vileness so much that they even use slurs in legal documentation - explaining the hideousness of one routine GC slur to an MP the other day was a journey for me and a pikachu moment for her.

No, it's not the absence of 'being kind'.

We all get this endlessly from every angle. Why do you care?
Why can't you just let this vulnerable group quietly get on with their lives?
It's just a tiny minority so go do something better with your day...

So I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread of 'ways it affects other people' and the effects of losing all logic, reason, sense of reality, and how health, safety and welfare are thrown out of the window the moment the word 'trans' is mentioned.

Please feel free to add your own with a link to what you are talking about. Especially documents relating to policy and processes that are wide open to abuse.

Yes, and all of those are valid points. But not what I’m asking OP about.

OP is still claiming that trans people can legally leave their name off the actual criminal record check, and therefore not be fully checked for their criminal record and hide those crimes.

Their name is not removed from the check. Their crimes are not removed. They cannot legally hide their past crimes or legally keep their name off the criminal record check.

Redacting the name may cause a whole load of other issues for employers, but that’s not what OP posted about. I’m not arguing with that.

One of the very good points that Stella O'Malley makes about the employees above and trans employees too is that it's actually very helpful and healthy for everyone to get a break from these complex personal issues and focus on our work. Which is the one thing that we all really have in common in our workplaces, no matter what else is going on in our lives.

I found it very helpful that my own organisation is not at all politicised. As a result I am well able to stay professional, polite and kind when dealing with trans people at work. It helps that no-one at work has made a fuss about it, nor offered me "training" in their favourite point of view, nor asked me to wave rainbows about.

It doesn’t allow them to hide their crimes though. Not at all. Which is what OP has alleged.