Let Women Speak Free Your Face Event

You seem very certain that they weren't.
That's your prejudice showing up.

I don’t know. Maybe they were. Maybe they just identified as Muslims?

White Saviourism

Another day, another -ism. Yawn

I think any movement on behalf of a people needs to involve those people.

A movement of middle class white women going to help the poor oppressed brown women who are completely absent from any protest and movement is suspect.

Why the reluctance to speak to an work with the women you claim to be championing.

Do you think those women involved are muslim women?

There was a mushroom farm, too.

Yes @TheywontletmehavethenameIwant IIRC one of the “reporting stations” was a sex shop which says it all really.

Is that OJ's other job. 😂

Hey, we got the Hate Monster out of it, though!

There are video's all over YouTube made by women in Iran who are highly critical of the women in the West for failing to support them in their ongoing struggle for freedom. I bet if those women heard about KJK's event, they would be highly supportive, it a shame there are so many women in the UK who are not.

Slightly off topic but

"Investigators say Iranian security officials are using a strategy of "state-sponsored vigilantism" to encourage people to use specialist phone apps to report women for alleged dress code violations in private..."

Sounds very similar to what the Scottish Government wanted to do with their Hate Law, only the cheapskates didn't launch an app. They just 'encouraged the people' to report anyone they felt like for saying something hateful, even in the privacy of their own homes, in designated reporting stations, the playbook for dictators, whether they be political or religious seems to be very similar.

OMG look at Amnesty being white saviours.

Just thought I'd share this but I know some will feel it's trivial beside calling out a white saviour.

Iran using drones and phone apps to monitor strict dress code for women - BBC News https://share.google/9K1VWhKKc6bA9vbJr

For women who defy the laws, or protest against them, the consequences are severe – arrest, beating, and even rape in custody.
Investigators say Iranian security officials are using a strategy of "state-sponsored vigilantism" to encourage people to use specialist phone apps to report women for alleged dress code violations in private vehicles such as taxis and ambulances.

Their new report also highlights the increasing use of drones and security cameras to monitor hijab compliance in Tehran and in southern Iran.

Yes Iran's a beacon for women's rights.

Iran: New compulsory veiling law intensifies oppression of women and girls - Amnesty International https://share.google/lF8RIyTHg5IFCJoDA

'The law criminalizes and introduces severe penalties for “nudity, indecency, unveiling and bad dressing (bad poosheshi)”.

The law defines “unveiling” as the act of women and girls not covering their heads with a hijab, chador, or headscarf (Article 50).

'Under Article 38, “insulting or ridiculing the hijab” or “promoting nudity, indecency, unveiling and bad dressing” is punishable by a prison sentence of up to five years, travel ban and/or fine.'

Perhaps you'd like this introduced here. That would teach Kellie Jay to know her place.

'In its March 2024 report, the UN Fact-Finding Mission on Iran (FFMI) concluded that the Iranian authorities committed the crime against humanity of persecution on the grounds of gender. The FFMI found that the authorities have “committed a series of extensive, sustained and continuing acts that individually constitute human rights violations, directed against women [and] girls…and, cumulatively, constitute what the mission assesses to be persecution.”

Ummm how do you know there were no Muslim women there?

So, if there were no Palestinians in the UK, it wouldn't be ok to demonstrate for Gaza?

Interesting development.

Is it, aye.

The Muslim women who are messaging KJK seem happy that she is broadcasting their messages.

I have not written any “disdainful things” towards white women.

Criticising white saviourism is not criticising white women (or men) as a collective.

Maybe it's the disdainful things you write.

Islamophobia exists. Men who attack and rip the hijab off muslim women are absolutely islamophobic.

Women are not required to cover their face in Iran.

Also the issue is not her highlighting other women’s issues. It’s the complete lack of representation from the women she claims to be championing.

This response sums it up perfectly:

This display wasn’t about solidarity with Muslim women. It was a parade of moral self-congratulation—a cathartic, theatrical venting of cultural anxieties and a displacement of contradictions onto the figure of the veiled Muslim woman. Once again, women are pressured to conform to dominant Western norms of intelligibility. The fantasy that Muslim women must be rescued—unveiled—to reflect the English (or French, or American) idealised image of itself is not new. Veilface is a Orientalist reboot.
Let Women Speak’s Selective Hearing and Veil Fetish

Let Women Speak claims to stand for women’s rights and free speech. But when it comes to Muslim women, they have a serious selective hearing problem. There is no meaningful attempt to understand veiling as a complex, situated practice—one that can be religious, cultural, political, familial, or personal. Nor is there any effort to recognise British Muslims, including the minuscule number who wear the niqab, as part of the national fabric. Instead, the veil is held up as a visual marker of irredeemable otherness—a threat to the imagined moral and cultural coherence of England. Muslim women are no monolith. The meaning of the veil has a diverse geography and history.2 There is no consensus, no lock-step behaviour, no uniformity in the practice—whether in the UK or anywhere else.

Why would you think me questioning her tweets are about “showing disdain for white women”?

Unless you think to be a white woman is to think “London no longer feels like London, Paris no longer feels like Paris, Edinburgh feels like Edinburgh” (and the huge massive dogwhistle therein.)

I did not “search” for those tweets. They were literally linked in the thread? I could not have searched them as I refuse to use Apartheid Clyde’s platform.

And what is this?????

Is that a genuine question or just another opportunity to show disdain for white women?

There's an ongoing discussion on X about being English.

The purpose of your search is to smear English people as racist for the discussion.

It's part of the islamophobia and racist combination commonly use to vilify normal white people in the British Isles.

White saviourism is another smear. We could consider that racist but the racist word is now so debased by its use to protect child rapists it should be beneath any decent person's dignity to use it.

My post called her a feminist? I would not call her something she herself says she is not.

I was pre-empting those who accuse those who abhor White Saviour tactics of not caring about non-white women.

I am sure many of the women in this event think of themselves as saviours of poor oppressed muslim women but this really is not the way to do it.

I think this is true but specifically very intolerant of Islam and any presentation of Islam specifically.

Which I find weirdly has the opposite effect. A lot of muslim women I was raised with and know I find are turning more to their faith as they feel more underattack.

One of my close friends is muslim and one of 6 (4 girls). Growing up none of the daughters wore hijab (my friend’s mom did). Now 3/4 have chosen to.)