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Can’t we say lesbian anymore?

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sellotape12 · 04/07/2025 13:59

Was just reading a Guardian review of some TV show and it describes a female character as ‘secretly queer.’ Then I popped to the local café where there’s a leaflet for a ‘queer antenatal group.’ Can’t we just say gay? Or lesbian?
The normalisation of a more ambiguous piece of language implies shame in the original word. Additionally, it just makes it all look like trend rather than biological truth. And that’s just counterintuitive surely?

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TheOtherRaven · 04/07/2025 16:39

Under the beliefs of GI - if you say lesbian and you're male, then everyone claps and shouts stunning and brave.

If you say lesbian and you're female, you are suggesting that you are an evil homosexual who would reject a man as a sexual partner on the grounds of his sex instead of his inner stated self as an identified as woman.

So you're obviously bad and naughty and evil. GOOD women say queer, which does not imply any vaginal gatekeeping or boundaries that would inconvenience men in the use of women's bodies.

Under the SC - lesbians are women, end of. But obviously very naughty for saying so. (They don't care.)

2024onwardsandup · 04/07/2025 14:57

creakingwheels · 04/07/2025 14:41

The queer antenatal group will also be for women who describe themselves as non-binary or transmen or for women with trans identified male partners.

But yes, there has been loss of lesbian spaces because of this rebranding as 'queer'..

You’re forgetting men who want to breastfeed

MarieDeGournay · 04/07/2025 14:50

'Lesbian' went out of fashion a long time ago, it had association with dungarees, man-hating and woolly jumpers, allegedly. We were 'gay women'. 'Queer' is more recent.
Now that the very definition of lesbian is under attack from TRAs, it seems to have regained some statusSmile

creakingwheels · 04/07/2025 14:41

The queer antenatal group will also be for women who describe themselves as non-binary or transmen or for women with trans identified male partners.

But yes, there has been loss of lesbian spaces because of this rebranding as 'queer'..

PrettyDamnCosmic · 04/07/2025 14:23

In modern parlance "queer" means a straight person with spicy haircut.

CompleteGinasaur · 04/07/2025 14:11

I was more than a bit irritated yesterday by the press release English Heritage put out to announce the blue plaque for the Gateways Club. There was the word "lesbian" large as life on the plaque itself , but the release cited only Lgbtq etc women repeatedly. I was lucky enough to have gone to the Gates just a few times before it closed in 1985 and a good friend of mine was enough of a regular to have been featured in the documentary that Toksvig fronted for BBC4. No-one I met in there would have gone along with that kind of mealy-mouthed forced teaming.

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