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Trans books banned in children's library sections

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BeeSouriante · 04/07/2025 13:40

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o

Including kids books that just acknowledge the existence of trans people.

Obviously, this is a local Reform council, but would you call for a ban of books about trans people across the board?

Rows of books on shelves. The books are all different colours.

Kent council bans transgender books in children’s library section

KCC says the move came after a "concerned member of the public" contacted them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o

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TheCatsTongue · 04/07/2025 15:44

And please stop with the "denying trans existence", no one is doing it.

What people are trying to do is to stop a culture-bound syndrome.

MarieDeGournay · 04/07/2025 15:40

BurntBroccoli · 04/07/2025 15:07

Farenheit 451 springs to mind. Slippery slope.

Isn't that the book about a dystopian future where armies of library assistants called 'Shelfmen' move books from one part of a library to another??
Like from from the children's section to 306.768?
Shocking!

TheCatsTongue · 04/07/2025 15:40

In the US there was a parent who started reading out the content of a book from a children's library at a public meeting, they tried to shut him down because what he was reading was too explicit.

Hoardasurass · 04/07/2025 15:29

HonestAquaMember · 04/07/2025 14:07

So people can't use 'cis' on mumsnet because it's a slur for women, but you can use slurs against other people?

Transsexuals is not a slur its a legal definition 😂😂😂😂

Balloonhearts · 04/07/2025 15:29

Our local librarian won't have them anyway. Calls them tosh and says it encourages too much navel gazing.

I make her right.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/07/2025 15:28

Not all books are suitable for children. It isn't "book banning" to acknowledge this.

Dwimmer · 04/07/2025 15:26

KerryAnnSalford · 04/07/2025 14:05

Why? Just how in depth do you think these books are going?

Exact same stuff was said about books about gay and lesbian people.

Bigots that are utterly obsessed with this topic at this point just can’t help but sexualise people’s identities for some reason, that’s far more perverse than teaching children that we have a diverse society.

Anyone supporting porn for children should be on the sex offenders register.

Ddakji · 04/07/2025 15:25

BurntBroccoli · 04/07/2025 15:21

Against what? These were age appropriate, written for children’s books I believe?

That’s the problem - a lot of them aren’t age appropriate at all. How some got published I can’t think. Red flags a-go-go in children’s publishing and among children’s librarians.

OldCrone · 04/07/2025 15:23

HonestAquaMember · 04/07/2025 14:07

So people can't use 'cis' on mumsnet because it's a slur for women, but you can use slurs against other people?

What slur did I use?

OldCrone · 04/07/2025 15:21

KerryAnnSalford · 04/07/2025 14:05

Why? Just how in depth do you think these books are going?

Exact same stuff was said about books about gay and lesbian people.

Bigots that are utterly obsessed with this topic at this point just can’t help but sexualise people’s identities for some reason, that’s far more perverse than teaching children that we have a diverse society.

I have no idea how 'in depth' the book is, but it's a book written for adults, so it shouldn't be in the children's section. Why was it in the children's section in the first place?

There are plenty of books which are stocked in libraries which are for adults and which are totally unsuitable for children. Do you really think that there should be no age guidelines or that children should be able to access all books no matter the content?

BurntBroccoli · 04/07/2025 15:21

IDareSay · 04/07/2025 15:09

No, safeguarding 101.

Against what? These were age appropriate, written for children’s books I believe?

Ddakji · 04/07/2025 15:17

BeeSouriante · 04/07/2025 15:01

That's just a mealy-mouthed response - they've been banned from the children's section of the library.

Lots of age-inappropriate books aren’t in the children’s section. Stephen King. 50 Shades of Grey.

They’re not banned and no one with an ounce of sense thinks they belong in the kids’ section either.

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 04/07/2025 15:16

I'll never ever ever support banning books, even ones I don't agree with.
But they should be in the appropriate section. In the same way that I put books like Secret Diary of A Call Girl on the top shelf of the bookcase at home when dc were small.

Actually, I question that Grandpa's Pride book. It's totally inappropriate for the age it's aimed at, and had my DC found it in the library I'd have found a reason why we couldn't borrow it. So maybe it should be banned. Or maybe just not available in the library so parents would only get it if they actually bought it.

UpsideDownChairs · 04/07/2025 15:14

BeeSouriante · 04/07/2025 15:04

So it's OK to mention trans people as long as you don't really mention trans people, but be explicit as to trans people exist and that's too much for you?

If this is what you mean then why? What other groups in society should not be talked about to children? Black people? Disabled people? What would be ideal in your society?

What does that even mean?

What does it bring to a plotline to labour the point that a trans person is someone who's female, but who would like to be male, and so dresses in clothes that are stereotypically male, and has changed their name etc.

Mentioned in passing, totally normal part of a book. Labouring the point? Preaching, not normal in a book.

Someone being trans as the sole point of a book for 3 year olds? Nope - it's not part of their life experience yet - let 3 year olds be 3 year olds.

Someone being trans as the sole point of a book for 15 year olds - maybe, as long as it's not misleading/lying/encouraging harmful behaviour - just as I wouldn't want a book glorifying bulimia, or brushing over the difficulties of any other health issue if it was the key plotline of the book.

In the majority of books, the fashion choices and drug regimes of a character just aren't important - mentioned in passing to add flavour, but not key to the plotline, and that's the same whether it's them being a goth, trans identified, skater or diabetic.

Screamingabdabz · 04/07/2025 15:09

HonestAquaMember · 04/07/2025 14:07

So people can't use 'cis' on mumsnet because it's a slur for women, but you can use slurs against other people?

No one needs to use the prefix cis. Just women is fine. We are not a sub category of men thanks.

And she’s right. Children need to live in a world of creativity and beautiful stories. Not be drawn into a manipulative agenda of adult delusion.

IDareSay · 04/07/2025 15:09

BurntBroccoli · 04/07/2025 15:07

Farenheit 451 springs to mind. Slippery slope.

No, safeguarding 101.

Codlingmoths · 04/07/2025 15:08

Banning books is an actual problem and threads like this are a stupid bloody DELIBERATE waste of everyone who cares about reading’s time. I’m wondering if bee has a job. It is school holidays…

BurntBroccoli · 04/07/2025 15:07

Farenheit 451 springs to mind. Slippery slope.

TimeFliesin2046 · 04/07/2025 15:06

Ladaha · 04/07/2025 15:05

I would not call for a ban on books, no. It's pure philistinism to ban books. That doesn't mean I'd purposely set up a situation where little kids encounter scary, sexual, or otherwise age-inappropriate books - that's obviously not responsible, but no I would not ban books from the library itself.

In Calderdale when they banned the GC books it was wrong, and it's just as wrong to ban trans books.

They've literally just been moved to another section though, which I think is fine.

Ladaha · 04/07/2025 15:05

I would not call for a ban on books, no. It's pure philistinism to ban books. That doesn't mean I'd purposely set up a situation where little kids encounter scary, sexual, or otherwise age-inappropriate books - that's obviously not responsible, but no I would not ban books from the library itself.

In Calderdale when they banned the GC books it was wrong, and it's just as wrong to ban trans books.

Codlingmoths · 04/07/2025 15:04

BettyBooper · 04/07/2025 13:56

The books haven't been banned, they've been taken out of the children's section.

So now they are... Just like most of the other books in library.

If people specifically want to read them they can. Just not in the children's section.

This seems a very reasonable approach to running library. Children’s books in the children’s section, adult books in the adult section. And if they had a guide to rimming then I’d put them in the adult section no matter what the author said, looking at you yumi Stynes.
@BeeSouriante how would you do it? A novel new classification system where if it mentions trans chuck it in the children’s section?

BeeSouriante · 04/07/2025 15:04

UpsideDownChairs · 04/07/2025 14:31

If they've removed Percy Jackson, then sure, that's over the line. It's not my cup of tea, but it's a story, with various themes and characters, some of which are ambiguous gender-wise.

If they've just moved books like the ones mentioned above into the adult section, then that's totally appropriate.

Some subjects need to be introduced by adults with responsibility for a child's wellbeing, not stumbled upon in a picture book for toddlers/how-to manual for teens by accident.

So it's OK to mention trans people as long as you don't really mention trans people, but be explicit as to trans people exist and that's too much for you?

If this is what you mean then why? What other groups in society should not be talked about to children? Black people? Disabled people? What would be ideal in your society?

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TimeFliesin2046 · 04/07/2025 15:03

BeeSouriante · 04/07/2025 15:01

That's just a mealy-mouthed response - they've been banned from the children's section of the library.

No, they have been deemed not appropriate for that section. My library's children's section doesn't have books about serial killers or erotic novels included, for example, but they haven't been banned. This hyperbole only serves to water down real instances of censorship.

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