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GreenFriedTomato · 2025-07-02T16:42:16+00:00

This happened 2 weeks ago but I only found out about it when Mr.Menno uploaded a video yesterday. A few local YouTubers were there and got plenty of footage. Notably they were all quite shocked at how aggressive the TRA's were. Well the ones who weren't familiar with the way they operate. They didn't just stick to marching through the streets. They invaded the Arndale Centre and marched shouting and swearing while rather bemused looking people were shopping and trying to enjoy their day. Things turned violent as usual. Two young lesbians got punched and dragged to the floor. I've linked to a video by Billy Moore who generally goes around filming the city and talking to homeless people and so on. It's quite long but the trans stuff starts around the 15 minute.mark if anyone's interested. So ironic to see allies bleating on about how trans are the most marginalised and vulnerable and have had their dignity and rights taken away, while the delicate flowers are being filmed acting violently and attacking women (and men). But carry on lads. People need to see more of this. https://youtu.be/mmt8ez7CwhQ?si=ijnHMD3ywbOEUl76

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GreenFriedTomato · 04/07/2025 06:00

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2025 03:52

The sheer number of YouTubers says much.

It's people out to rubberneck and stir the pot for financial gain or social media hits and notoriety.

It's not cool. It doesn't matter who is doing it. It leaves me with a bad taste.

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How else would we know what happens at events if people aren't there to document them? It's not as if the mainstream media are going to to broadcast an unbiased unedited account?

Do you include anyone videoing an event or just those who post the footage on social media ?

Personally I'd rather see someone like Billy Moore or Wesley Winter simply standing there and filming (either asking questions or not providing any commentary at all) than the BBC for example that will edit things about and provide a biased account only showing one side of the story.

I appreciate many YouTubers because without them, I wouldn't have a clue what happens in my city because the regular media either don't report it, or report inaccurately

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POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 04/07/2025 04:04

PrettyDamnCosmic · 03/07/2025 10:03

If there are "trans" people who don't agree with the actions of the TRAs they need to make their voices heard otherwise it's assumed that they all approve of what the TRAs do. I have yet to see a single word from one of these alleged reasonable "trans" people condemning the actions of TRAs.

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You haven't seen Rose of Dawn's YouTube Channel then. No longer posting on YouTube unfortunately.

These playlists are an eye-opener for anyone who has not come across these characters before.

Serious expose of Jess Bradley including relentless pestering NUS for information. The only other coverage at the time that I can recall was a couple of very short pieces in Private Eye:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLChYytKhbbRoobsW3K9JVtEZXH0qxLErl

The Jessica Yaniv Saga
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLChYytKhbbRpKpl15FjMlNSgHkzXR1Iem

Pillars of the Community
(a right House of Horrors!)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLChYytKhbbRoFQte12Jdq2pPOsITSC2Tl

Trans-Stupid
(Both funny and horrifying!)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLChYytKhbbRowhOv_Vm-GIWNJ1gCmbpJW

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2025 03:52

GreenFriedTomato · 04/07/2025 01:48

The sheer number of people wearing bodycams are YouTubers filming the events.(And it prevents getting your camera snatched and leaves your hands free)
Sure there are some controversial ones (aka Charlie Vietch) that do antagonise but most are just there to film and aren't there looking for drama.
They're not there to innocently attend or join in the march as participants but as observers and for content..There's nothing strange or sinister about the fact there are people with bodycams.
I mean Mr Menno doesn't wearing one because he has someone filming for him instead.

Edit : or were you talking about protestors with bodycams? I might have misunderstood your comment

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The sheer number of YouTubers says much.

It's people out to rubberneck and stir the pot for financial gain or social media hits and notoriety.

It's not cool. It doesn't matter who is doing it. It leaves me with a bad taste.

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GreenFriedTomato · 04/07/2025 01:48

RedToothBrush · 03/07/2025 17:28

I have to agree. The sheer number of people with body cams or with phones out was shocking. It looked like everyone was spoiling for a fight tbh. I watched part of with the sound off and I couldn't tell for the life of me who was protesting for what.

You don't turn up to a march with a body cam on if you aren't looking for full on drama and to antagonise. It's very different dynamic to going to a march innocently and then getting your phone out because someone starts on you.

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The sheer number of people wearing bodycams are YouTubers filming the events.(And it prevents getting your camera snatched and leaves your hands free)
Sure there are some controversial ones (aka Charlie Vietch) that do antagonise but most are just there to film and aren't there looking for drama.
They're not there to innocently attend or join in the march as participants but as observers and for content..There's nothing strange or sinister about the fact there are people with bodycams.
I mean Mr Menno doesn't wearing one because he has someone filming for him instead.

Edit : or were you talking about protestors with bodycams? I might have misunderstood your comment

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Grammarnut · 03/07/2025 23:06

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 02/07/2025 20:22

Thanks for the timestamps. The TRAs are really obnoxious and annoying when they block the cameras with their placards. That being said the two lesbians come across as being obnoxious and aggressive too. Shoving their phone cameras right into individuals faces and you can see one of them shoving the TRAs rather than them being shoved. I can’t see them being punched and dragged to the floor as is claimed in the OP. It all feels a bit click baity.

They were surrounded by an intimidating crowd who sang at them 'there are many many more of us than you' which I would find threatening. Both women were pushed about and the stewards pretended they saw nothing. True, one of the women pushed the TRA with long hair (later called Meatloaf) when he purposefully (i.e. he glanced back to make sure she was there) barged into her.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 03/07/2025 23:05

Diverze · 03/07/2025 16:39

The trans people in my life don't use women's spaces, awards or sports. They do wear women's clothes, if there is such a thing. They do benefit from the organisational policy of it not being ok to scream at them in the street, sack them from a job, or deny them housing on the grounds of them being trans.

When suffragettes first gained the vote for women and all women were allowed to vote, would you argue that all those women who then did vote were in fact retrospectively actively involved in the prioritisation of these "privileges" (that I would call rights)? They benefitted, sure, but that's different from being actively involved.

After all as the recent ruling has clarified, trans people never had other rights except the right not to be discriminated against for being trans.

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They do benefit from the organisational policy of it not being ok to scream at them in the street, sack them from a job, or deny them housing on the grounds of them being trans.

TRAs didn't get those rights for them though. They had those rights already, as do we all.

What TRAs got them was the dubious "right" to trample all over other people's rights (mainly women's)

And now they're upset to discover that, actually, they don't have that right after all. And I didn't see any of them complaining when they thought they did.

Grammarnut · 03/07/2025 22:27

Of equal interest are the two Lesbians who explain, right at the beginning, why they are not supporting the pro-Palestinian protest.

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GreenFriedTomato · 03/07/2025 22:19

RebelMoon · 03/07/2025 21:59

Last time I saw Charlie in one of Billy's videos he was cutting about with a bodyguard. Suspect he's pushed his luck too far with somebody.

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He always has a bodyguard with him now. Usually a bloke called Fred but it was someone else that weekend. He does piss a lot of people.off, but he's also exposed a fair few drug dealers (and various other criminal types) and there are regular attempts to stab/bottle him when he's out.and about. He can handle himself but needs an extra pair of eyes nowadays.

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Datun · 03/07/2025 22:09

Diverze · 03/07/2025 18:10

"so what is a trans identity? How do you define it esp. in light of the science that proves you can’t transition sex and the logic that shows you can’t transition gender (you simply expand societal understanding of your birth gender / sex)"

Of course you can't literally transition sex.

You just don't get it. Most trans people either deeply wish they were the other sex, or genuinely believe that in their brain or heart or soul their identity is that they are the other sex. This might well be misguided or wrong, but it feels real to them. If you can't even try to understand that then there's not really anywhere to start from is there? What do you think trans people are trying to do?

You don't have to agree with this idea, but surely you can perceive the possibility that some people's sense of who they are might not align with their sexed body, and this might cause distress?

Seriously. Can you imagine this being taken seriously it wasn't driven by men with either a strong sexual motivation or societywide and ingrained homophobia/sexism that says men can't be feminine.

We don't do it with anything else, any other belief.

We don't expect non Christians to wear crosses and say God is good otherwise they're a bigoted Christianphobe.

just because a man wants something a lot, and think it might help him, doesn't mean everyone has to agree, comply, and we have to change all the laws!

RebelMoon · 03/07/2025 21:59

GreenFriedTomato · 03/07/2025 12:02

@NC28 Seen that at the time. Billy Moore, Edge of the Matrix (the guy who wears the trans sandwich board) and MKR Audits (one half of the lesbian couple you mention) all put videos on YouTube of it. Only one we were missing was Charlie Veitch, I think.

Charlie was there. I watched his video of it yesterday to compare. It was his usual provocative style and the YouTubers all started off at the Pro Palestine march which is held every week. Manchester is such a delight on Saturdays.
Charlie was the one that started shouting Trams Rights when they caused them to come to a standstill. He's far more offensive than sandwichboard man but he's a big fella and these cowards tend to pick on women or people.smaller than them

Last time I saw Charlie in one of Billy's videos he was cutting about with a bodyguard. Suspect he's pushed his luck too far with somebody.

Helleofabore · 03/07/2025 21:58

Helleofabore · 03/07/2025 19:06

Having a belief that doesn’t reflect material reality doesn’t mean that a person ‘is’ what they believe they are though. Not the way the word ‘transgender’ has been used.

There is a difference between having a belief in something that is not real and believing that you are something that you are not and expect to be treated as if you are.

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By this, I mean that there is also no means at all for a male person to even know what it is that they are really ‘identifying’ as. It is simply not possible for them to describe what they ‘feel’ as being the same as how any female person ‘feels’. They describe it how ever they wish, but unless that label they use comes from materially real experiences, it is just impossible. For instance, I could never label something I feel as being like a man feels. Ever.

But I can label something that I experience or interpret as being that of a girl, because I have experienced that and have an accurate and real reference point to validate that experience. It doesn’t have to be a universally shared experience for it to be a true description that I have given that experience. It can be unique to me and still be valid to me and reflecting reality.

This is the blunt and unvarnished truth no matter how sincerely or desperately the person claiming this gender identity wants it to be.

So when someone says : “Of course it's possible to be trans, and to hold a deeply held belief that one is in one's essence of the opposite sex somehow.” Sure. People can believe they are whatever they want. But when there is no possible way for them to be what they say they are, no way for that ‘essence’ to be the opposite sex, why is society affirming this identity as if it is based on reality?

GarlicMetre · 03/07/2025 21:44

Loved Sandwich Board Guy!

GarlicMetre · 03/07/2025 21:43

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 02/07/2025 20:22

Thanks for the timestamps. The TRAs are really obnoxious and annoying when they block the cameras with their placards. That being said the two lesbians come across as being obnoxious and aggressive too. Shoving their phone cameras right into individuals faces and you can see one of them shoving the TRAs rather than them being shoved. I can’t see them being punched and dragged to the floor as is claimed in the OP. It all feels a bit click baity.

She pushed that bloke forwards because he was pushing her from in front. She was getting shoved back onto some other hefty protesters, who were trying to push back at her. TLDR: she was being sandwiched so tried to push the front guy out of the way.

They were grabbing at both the women. You can just see it at the sides of the frame.

Helleofabore · 03/07/2025 21:39

Diverze · 03/07/2025 18:45

But that's a different issue from what I was discussing with @akkakk who seemed to believe that being trans is in itself not possible.

Of course it's possible to be trans, and to hold a deeply held belief that one is in one's essence of the opposite sex somehow.

My personal view is that all trans people, like any of us, are free to use any first name they wish, and should be free to request pronouns of friends and colleagues, but not compel them. In return they should acknowledge that they are not an actual woman or man, they are a trans woman or man, and this comes with some limitations in terms of access to spaces etc.

I do think language is often fluid around material reality when we want to try to spare the feelings of members of a particular group. I am not saying this is right or should be subject to legislation.

For example, we have euphemisms around age, around weight, around disability and this is an attempt to minimise people feeling dismissed, othered or rejected by society. We would often tell white lies "does my bum look big in this?", "celebrate your curves" . We refer to "older adults" when we mean the elderly, "differently abled" people. Some feminine gay men have historically referred to each other as "she" as well.

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To add to my other post,

“For example, we have euphemisms around age, around weight, around disability and this is an attempt to minimise people feeling dismissed, othered or rejected by society. We would often tell white lies "does my bum look big in this?", "celebrate your curves" . We refer to "older adults" when we mean the elderly, "differently abled" people. Some feminine gay men have historically referred to each other as "she" as well.”

Again, I don’t see your examples as being at all comparative. At all. If someone lies about another person’s arse looking too big, that is a lie. But do they then act forever if that is the truth in any reference to that person? They also are not generally coerced or emotionally manipulated. And it this example is not relevant to language being fluid. Unless you mean that any of the words answering the question asked has been redefined to mean the opposite of its original intended meaning. Such as ‘no’ intended to mean ‘yes’. But the person answering is lying and does intend the word ‘no’ to mean ‘no’ even though it is a lie.

The rest of your examples are euphemisms. But they also have not been changed to mean the opposite of the intended meaning. Unless ‘older people’ is now meaning ‘younger people’. Whether you use older or elderly you are still referring to a group of people over a certain age. Your examples just don’t fit your point.

ArabellaScott · 03/07/2025 21:14

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/07/2025 20:51

Thank you for this @Burntt. This is the tragedy at the heart of all this.
Countless children and young people groomed, gaslit and coerced into the trans cult. Most with other co morbidities and all without the life experiences to see through the mantras and spot the coercive control, the sexual fetishes and the tactics of alienation from families / society being promoted by the cynical self interested adults pushing all this.

It's child / young people abuse writ large with society collectively guilty of standing by and allowing young people to get caught up in this.

That's why Billy Moore, Mr Menno, Edge of the Matrix, the Gay Men's Network etc are so important. They speak to different communities that many women on here aren't necessarily in contact with.

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akkakk · 03/07/2025 21:12

Diverze · 03/07/2025 18:10

"so what is a trans identity? How do you define it esp. in light of the science that proves you can’t transition sex and the logic that shows you can’t transition gender (you simply expand societal understanding of your birth gender / sex)"

Of course you can't literally transition sex.

You just don't get it. Most trans people either deeply wish they were the other sex, or genuinely believe that in their brain or heart or soul their identity is that they are the other sex. This might well be misguided or wrong, but it feels real to them. If you can't even try to understand that then there's not really anywhere to start from is there? What do you think trans people are trying to do?

You don't have to agree with this idea, but surely you can perceive the possibility that some people's sense of who they are might not align with their sexed body, and this might cause distress?

I totally get it and they still are not men who have transitioned in any way…

they are men who have some idealistic view of what it means to be a woman and identify more with that - perhaps they rebel a bit against the stereotype of men (rugger / drinking / men together type thing) and are more attracted to what they see as more feminine- more sensitive, arty, caring etc…

maybe they genuinely have some reason for dislike of their body…

but they are still men

it doesn’t matter how it is wrapped up / what their feelings or emotions are - born a man = always a man.

encourage them to be any type of man they wish, as a man myself I have no issue with more feminine and caring types of men, with those who wish to wear nail varnish and make up, or wear a skirt, etc… but they are still men.

the only reason to label themselves in any other way is to suggest that they are something they are not - and that causes issues…

they are potentially no different a subset of men to short men or tall men, ginger men or fat men, skinny men or musical men, those men who like cycling or those who do weightlifting… they are all still men.

unless they can physically or otherwise change into something else then they can not transition, so no they can’t be trans.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/07/2025 20:51

Burntt · 03/07/2025 20:40

I can say i know a trans person who isn’t aggressive. But she’s a confused child, entering puberty, who had had boys forcefully kissing her in soft play just months before she transitioned. She’s autistic. She does try to force speech and has had massive shouty meltdown/tantrum when another child uses the ‘wrong’ pronoun or dead name. She also had a new sibling just before the transition so the transition has brought her attention after she had been the youngest child all her life and suddenly not the centre of her parents world. She has very hip cool liberal parents. I would not be surprised to learn her mother had attended a march got swept up in the group and got a bit shouty. The child is vulnerable and being harmed by this ideology. I’ve watched her go from quiet to forceful and shouty.

kids like these are incredibly vulnerable. But as has already been discussed on this thread trans is a huge umbrella and the driving force of the movement is fetishists adult men. Kids like this are just swept up and pushed by parents/peers.

i don’t like this movement because troubled kids are not getting support for SA or coping with autism. All their problems are attributed to being trans and they are believing harmful drugs and surgery will cure their experience of huge societal problems. That makes me angry when I read comments about nice trans people quietly going about their lives and not all trans are the violent TRA shown in videos like this. I obviously care about mine and my dd rights to dignity and privacy and equality but watching the impact of the trans movement on this girl and it blocking her getting help for her actual problems is heart breaking. Yet I get called a bigot for having worries about it

Thank you for this @Burntt. This is the tragedy at the heart of all this.
Countless children and young people groomed, gaslit and coerced into the trans cult. Most with other co morbidities and all without the life experiences to see through the mantras and spot the coercive control, the sexual fetishes and the tactics of alienation from families / society being promoted by the cynical self interested adults pushing all this.

It's child / young people abuse writ large with society collectively guilty of standing by and allowing young people to get caught up in this.

That's why Billy Moore, Mr Menno, Edge of the Matrix, the Gay Men's Network etc are so important. They speak to different communities that many women on here aren't necessarily in contact with.

Burntt · 03/07/2025 20:40

I can say i know a trans person who isn’t aggressive. But she’s a confused child, entering puberty, who had had boys forcefully kissing her in soft play just months before she transitioned. She’s autistic. She does try to force speech and has had massive shouty meltdown/tantrum when another child uses the ‘wrong’ pronoun or dead name. She also had a new sibling just before the transition so the transition has brought her attention after she had been the youngest child all her life and suddenly not the centre of her parents world. She has very hip cool liberal parents. I would not be surprised to learn her mother had attended a march got swept up in the group and got a bit shouty. The child is vulnerable and being harmed by this ideology. I’ve watched her go from quiet to forceful and shouty.

kids like these are incredibly vulnerable. But as has already been discussed on this thread trans is a huge umbrella and the driving force of the movement is fetishists adult men. Kids like this are just swept up and pushed by parents/peers.

i don’t like this movement because troubled kids are not getting support for SA or coping with autism. All their problems are attributed to being trans and they are believing harmful drugs and surgery will cure their experience of huge societal problems. That makes me angry when I read comments about nice trans people quietly going about their lives and not all trans are the violent TRA shown in videos like this. I obviously care about mine and my dd rights to dignity and privacy and equality but watching the impact of the trans movement on this girl and it blocking her getting help for her actual problems is heart breaking. Yet I get called a bigot for having worries about it

Bannedontherun · 03/07/2025 20:39

I have to plop in with my contributions.

Firstly I know of Billy Moore. I find him a joy to listen to not least, for his turn of phrase.

I lived in the North East from seven until fifteen years old. So plain speaking is my thing.

I particularly liked liked his comment “men wanting to piss in birds bogs, WTF is that about”

And my other take away was “do that again mate and i will put you on your arse”

He is the quintessential unreconstructed manly man.

you know just like the fictitious Pete the plumber, from our Naomi. I spat my cup of tea out when she said that.

the other funny bit was the bespectacled dweeb in high vis who approached him
and quickly backed of with a one sided grimace of his mouth.

Mr Menno’s video better show the aggression of the TRA’s towards the bill board guy and the two females filming. They were not aggressive but did stand up for themselves.

All in all the TRA’s are looking like a bunch of twats, And the weird bit is the manly men are our allies.

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/07/2025 20:04

Diverze · 03/07/2025 18:10

"so what is a trans identity? How do you define it esp. in light of the science that proves you can’t transition sex and the logic that shows you can’t transition gender (you simply expand societal understanding of your birth gender / sex)"

Of course you can't literally transition sex.

You just don't get it. Most trans people either deeply wish they were the other sex, or genuinely believe that in their brain or heart or soul their identity is that they are the other sex. This might well be misguided or wrong, but it feels real to them. If you can't even try to understand that then there's not really anywhere to start from is there? What do you think trans people are trying to do?

You don't have to agree with this idea, but surely you can perceive the possibility that some people's sense of who they are might not align with their sexed body, and this might cause distress?

Nobody is taking issue with that.......it is the performative drama that tends to accompany it that is the problem.

I imagine you might suggest that one young man that I'm aware of who has now adopted a trans identity, and has even gone so far as to have his geniitalia surgically removed, as being " just going about life quietly". He isn't abusive or aggressive...he has lots of allies to carry out those functions for him......and is sensitive and engaging on certain subjects. However, every now and then he insists he is a woman and expects everyone to agree with him and validate him. His 'enforcers' take issue with anyone who doesn't.

During his transition he used to post photos of his 'progress'.....all very stereotypically posed...he seemed keen to attract positive comments from men about how they might fancy him " if they didn't know any better". He is clearly not a woman. He associates mainly with men and is engaged in particularly 'masculine' pursuits and hobbies. He is over 6ft tall and quite heavily set. He clearly had mental health issues for many years before resorting to drastic surgery. The validation he received from others....encouraged him on this path.

He's gone quiet recently. I do wonder if he has come to have regrets about what he has done. I do not enagage with him because I cannot play along - and because when I don't the 'enforcers' close ranks.

WithSilverBells · 03/07/2025 19:54

The family and friends of any truly innocent trans-identifying people have the option of explaining to them why women are angry and why we are reclaiming what is ours and moving to safeguard children. They can suggest that they step up to help or keep their heads down as they see fit. If there are as many as PPs are suggesting then surely we can expect to see a fair few stepping up. I look forward to it.

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/07/2025 19:50

Diverze · 03/07/2025 17:33

"despite your attempt to suggest that trans people are threatened"

Where did I say that?

Most of the rest of your post is denying the possibility that people can ever genuinely feel that they are trans and frankly, that is rubbish. There have always been, in many cultures, people who do not identify with their birth sex for a variety of reasons, and who feel more comfortable moving through life as if they are the other sex.

You simply can't police what name people choose to use for themselves or the pronouns they prefer/request people to use. You may disagree and you may refuse to go along with it, that's your prerogative, but you don't get to deny that declaring a trans identity is allowed in UK law . Of course it's possible to be trans. It's not possible to actually change sex, to literally become or "really be" the opposite sex, or to enjoy all the rights and privileges of the opposite sex. That part is what has got us all in this mess.

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If someone is just quietly going about their business why would there be a need to " declare" anything? What is the point or purpose of a public declaration?

Requesting people, not in your close circle, to use pronouns is a form of enforcement which goes against many people's instinctive response and which feels like an imposition. An act of make believe that many are uncomfortable with, and some may even feel offended by.

TheOtherRaven · 03/07/2025 19:31

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 03/07/2025 18:07

I'm afraid I disagree. When I meet my numerous trans friends/relatives to speak to them, they're lovely and considerate, but then I see the misinformation and inflammatory shit they're posting and sharing on Facebook and realise that's only part of the story, to the point that I don't really want to see them anymore because of the amount of petrol-filled grenades they chuck out on social media with the assumption that everyone they know agrees with them.
I have come to realise that friendship with them is conditional on being inside the rightthink.
Maybe there are these mythical quiet trans people out there who are accomplished critical thinkers who can see the problems with TRA ideology but stay silent, but my friends/relatives are fairly quiet and unassuming in person largely due to massive social anxiety issues and autism stopping them saying or doing out loud a lot of what they feel safe to say or do online. That doesn't mean they don't agree with the TRAs, support them, send them money or perpetuate their lies.

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This.

It is not possible to have an equal, honest relationship. It is conditional on never voicing thoughts or feelings that would challenge theirs, or seeking equality. Not a true friendship.

And yes, to nice people who hold really astounding beliefs about entitlement, punishment for dissent and women as a subordinate race without any business wanting privacy, dignity, decency, or having feelings, never mind equality of consideration.

TheOtherRaven · 03/07/2025 19:21

I don’t believe it is possible to go back.

No. I don't think that at this point it is going to be possible to forget everything that has been said and done to women, to homosexuals, to children. It is not up to women to endlessly be the wilfully forgetful and always hopeful to believe the best 'bigger person' in the face of relentless evidence and ill treatment.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 03/07/2025 19:18

MoodyAndBlue · 03/07/2025 15:52

' He doesn't exist'

From reading these boards I gather quite a few people have trans relatives and children. Are they all violent TRA's? I think the answer would probably be no. There are far more trans people just quietly getting on with their lives who don't want to get involved in any of this and why should they. But it seems like all trans people are branded TRA's. It's so ridiculous when you think about your trans friends and relatives. Multiply all those quiet friends and relatives and it's the vast majority.

As far as I know, no trans person I have met has been involved in physical violence - but shouting "bigot" and trying to impose their rules have been a common factor, even with those who have been prepared to have some debate with me.