Violent trans rights protest in Manchester.

I haven't watched it.

But let's say someone was being provocative in a protest, isn't the full blame on the people who act violently and aggressively? If two lesbians who have no history of violence, are not even known, causes a violent and aggressive reaction from simply being there and walking around, doesn't that concern you?

There is no violence or aggression from the women when we actually have organised protest events. The women sing, make speeches and hold up non-violent signs. Often using humour. If a male person who is unknown to them walks through the group, they might be followed, or they might be turned away calmly by female stewards. No intimidation or aggression.

The two groups are almost polar opposites in reaction.

The woman who was "calmly holding a flag" had in fact just walked over and stood directly in front of billboard man to block him

No I'm not ignoring them but what I saw is true. She did push past a woman who was just calmly holding a flag and then put a camera in her face. The woman didn't react other than a slight smile. It's important to note the actions of both sides. I saw and acknowledge meatloaf being aggressive but there was also no need for the two lesbians to get in amongst them either. You need to not ignore both sides too.

So just after the TRAs stand in the face of billboard man,dreadlock lesbian joins him as support and then after a few seconds moves to the side. TRAs then surround both billboard man and dreadlocked lesbian.

Are you unable so see the actions of the TRA or just ignoring them.

Start at 25.12 when sandwich board man goes up the front shortly followed by dreadlock lesbian who pushes past a woman and aims a camera at her face. The rest just follows on, hoody lesbian is weaving in and out of the crowd. They are not the total innocents in this. Yes meatloaf is being aggressive but they're not helping matters. There was no need for them to do that unless it was to spark a reaction

Start at 25.12 when sandwich board man goes up the front shortly followed by dreadlock lesbian who pushes past a woman and aims a camera at her face. The rest just follows on, hoody lesbian is weaving in and out of the crowd. They are not the total innocents in this. Yes meatloaf is being aggressive but they're not helping matters. There was no need for them to do that unless it was to spark a reaction

So in other words trans people don't exist, the end, nothing more to talk about

What time is that?

If you look at 28.25 you can see the two lesbians trying to escape from the crowd and being shoved back so they can't escape.

But they got into it themselves!

What time is that?

If you look at 28.25 you can see the two lesbians trying to escape from the crowd and being shoved back so they can't escape.

People who believe they are trans (on a scale from fully delusional to pretending for nefarious purposes) - they exist.

people who are actually trans (ie have moved in any way shape or form between being a man and a woman - or v.v.) - nope, not biologically possible to transition even a little bit - so they don’t exist

born a man - always 100% a man
born a woman - always 100% a woman

adding breasts / removing breasts / mutilating genitalia / taking hormones / changing name / choosing pronouns / getting a GRC / telling everyone you are now the opposite sex / wearing a skirt (or not wearing a skirt) / changing how you talk / which loos you use / court cases / political lobbying / etc… none of it changes your sex

it really is as simple as sex is immutable - therefore will never change - therefore it is not possible for any human to be trans.

but in reality, none of this debate is about whether trans people exist - we all know that they don’t / can’t - it is why they call themselves transwomen or transmen, it is because they know that they are not and never will be the other sex. Even those who feel most strongly that they identify with the opposite sex know that they are not actually the opposite sex.

the debate is about misogyny / abuse / aggression / suppression / devaluing women to boost the morale of men etc

Dreadlocked lesbian went right to the front and put a camera in what looks like a woman's face, holding a flag. I wouldn't like that, it's aggressive

They weren't getting in the crowd. The crowd surrounded them. It's a common TRA tactic, surround and kettle people them complain about them being violent and invading TRA space.

We have had this conversation before as well on here.
Trans people by and large are not "lying" in their heads. The vast majority believe sincerely that they have the soul or essence of the sex that their body is not.

You might think this is a mental disorder, an abberation, brainwashing, a cult, you might disagree with their thoughts and feelings.

But the vast majority of trans people (especially the young, vulnerable ones) are not deliberately lying when they say that they believe they are the other gender.

So in other words trans people don't exist, the end, nothing more to talk about

???!!!

Suspect that doesn’t mean what you think it does! Read what I said!

It's also been said on here that many of the TRA's are not even trans so you can't have it both ways.

So - are you saying that TRAs and trans people are two completely separate groups? If so it might be the first time in history that advocacy for a group has come only from those not in that group…

if not (and we know there is overlap) then it is valid to say that many TRAs are also in the trans group…

the irony being pointed out that there is a claim being made in video that trans people are ‘delicate flowers’ while at a protest where they are clearly showing anything but!

this is yet another issue to be challenged - the deliberate lies to distort the truth… on the one hand make loud claims of minority (accurate) / vulnerability (while physically and verbally attacking others including death threats) / ‘literally suicidal’ (despite literally not being suicidal!) / oppressed (while being the oppressor)… while on the other hand every action showing the absolute opposite

as others have said - if this is not the habit of trans people then where are those criticising it?

as a man I am happy to stand up and say not in my name - they may be men, but they don’t speak for all men, nor is what they do something of which any man would be proud

We have had this conversation before as well on here.
Trans people by and large are not "lying" in their heads. The vast majority believe sincerely that they have the soul or essence of the sex that their body is not.

You might think this is a mental disorder, an abberation, brainwashing, a cult, you might disagree with their thoughts and feelings.

But the vast majority of trans people (especially the young, vulnerable ones) are not deliberately lying when they say that they believe they are the other gender.

But why did they even get in amongst them? Surely they could have just filmed from the side.

By this, I mean that there is also no means at all for a male person to even know what it is that they are really ‘identifying’ as. It is simply not possible for them to describe what they ‘feel’ as being the same as how any female person ‘feels’. They describe it how ever they wish, but unless that label they use comes from materially real experiences, it is just impossible. For instance, I could never label something I feel as being like a man feels. Ever.

But I can label something that I experience or interpret as being that of a girl, because I have experienced that and have an accurate and real reference point to validate that experience. It doesn’t have to be a universally shared experience for it to be a true description that I have given that experience. It can be unique to me and still be valid to me and reflecting reality.

This is the blunt and unvarnished truth no matter how sincerely or desperately the person claiming this gender identity wants it to be.

So when someone says : “Of course it's possible to be trans, and to hold a deeply held belief that one is in one's essence of the opposite sex somehow.” Sure. People can believe they are whatever they want. But when there is no possible way for them to be what they say they are, no way for that ‘essence’ to be the opposite sex, why is society affirming this identity as if it is based on reality?