Munroe Bergdorf on the BBC

Who ever says 'don't be friends with trans people'? Nobody here. In fact I'm always amazed at how many people claim to have a trans friend or even lots, since they are supposed to be so few in number.

But I'd never employ one, or anyone I suspected of being an ally, as I know that'd be opening my door to a world of problems. However, I'm not an employer, unless you count the tradies who work in my house from time to time, so that's hardly an issue. If one of those workmen turned up looking like Bergdorf I wouldn't allow him to start work on health and safety grounds alone.

Thanks for posting this OP. I think I met Gareth Roberts years ago and he was lovely. I’m also a big corrie fan and I always knew we were in for a good’un when his name was on the opening credits. God bless the men who see this for what it is.

In this instance below a TW was sacked for racist comments, then their next employer gave statements in support of them. It almost seems like trans people get more of a chance in employment than a “cis” person would.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5251918-lgbt-champion-has-been-struck-off-for-racism?page=1

I have seen plenty of comments and threads by people with trans friends, trying to balance their support of women’s rights with wanting their friends to live peaceful lives. Or their worry as to what said friends will do in light of the SC ruling. Etc etc.

And plenty of comments along the lines of refusing to consider CVs where pronouns are stated - or hiring a company who use them in an email signature.

I wouldn't refuse a CV etc but I certainly think less of anyone who puts their pronouns on anything. It shows credulous, lack of critical thought thinking. I got an email from someone I know who has her pronouns in her email signature. In her case it's nothing but virtue signalling nonsense and I thought 'oh, I thought you were more intelligent than that'.

And I am allowed to think that, in my head. Unless compelled thinking is the next TRA push? (just joking, it has been for a while)

@MinkyMankyPanda ...or that they’re fetishists...

But the estimates are that most of the men under the 'trans' umbrella are fetishists. Do you have a way of sorting out which ones are and which ones aren't, because we haven't been able to come up with one?

There are specific jobs trans people shouldn’t have- the Dr in the Sandy Prggie case shouldn’t be a dr, or have any other caring role or one that relies on honesty and integrity. Salesman? Actor? Sure.

Wadha (?) should never have been running a rape crisi refuge.

Would I want to be friends or neighbours with someone whose entire identity revolves around their perception of their identity? No. Tedious and self absorbed.

That’s nothing like persecution for simply being trans, or denying someone a job because they were trans.

Do you really not have any awareness of the thousands of comments (even just on this board, never mind the rest of the public media and internet) from people saying they would not hire / work with / let their child be taught by / buy services or products from a trans or NB person
Literally never seen this on MN

Can you link to some examples? You see, I often see comments around women’s rights (transwomen shouldn’t be in women’s sports/spaces etc), but I don’t remember ever seeing a comment that people shouldn’t be friends with trans people. Employment comments are generally about activists not trans people in general.

Many posters have trans family members or trans friends and colleagues. As long as they stay out of spaces they shouldn’t be in, there’s no problem. MB’s comment is hyperbolic and attention-seeking - in line with trying to drum up interest in a new book

You could look at the employment tribunals of
Allison Bailey
Jo Phoenix
Maya Forstater
Sandie Peggie

Or look at the treatment of Kathleen Stock at Sussex uni

To see how GC women have been treated

There are many more examples

The article is pooh-poohing MB for saying it happens, and in fact it does happen, quite a lot, including here on this board - so what MB said is correct and doesn’t deserve the mockery.

Do you really not have any awareness of the thousands of comments (even just on this board, never mind the rest of the public media and internet) from people saying they would not hire / work with / let their child be taught by / buy services or products from a trans or NB person - or that they’re fetishists who shouldn’t be allowed near children, or manipulative liars and best avoided?

That narrative is very prevalent - it’s very odd if you really don’t have any awareness that it’s a real thing, not invented by MB.

“IRL far more people have been sacked/passed over for a job for being GC than for being trans.”

Is that actually true though? Got any evidence to back it up?

Touch of the young Elvis there.

Who is saying we shouldn’t be friends with trans people? And which companies have said they won’t give them a job

OK, but let’s be honest and admit that these things do get said, a lot, on threads here.

There are threads and comments most days that advise avoiding trans people, generalise them as fetishists or normalise considering them troublesome people to have contact with.

And plenty of comments along the lines of refusing to consider CVs where pronouns are stated - or hiring a company who use them in an email signature.

Plus campaigns to boycott companies who show support of trans people, or feature them in ads or content. Or complaining to schools about employing trans or NB people, with advice to move schools etc.

Dislike MB freely - but in fairness, there’s some truth there about the prevailing characterisation of trans people.

Oh God, not him again 😐

Thanks!

Archive link Spectator article

archive.ph/BhFqb

Probably only the manladies.

Honestly that quote, does anybody still take that kind of stuff seriously?

The grift is strong with these guys, and they need to keep up the victim narrative in order to keep profiting from their identity.

MB was recently on Loose Women and was unchallenged on anything. It’s depressing to see the BBC has pretty much the same level of journalistic rigour as Loose Women.

Munroe Bergdorf, by contrast, received a six-figure sum for Transitional, which sold fewer than 3,000 copies in the UK.

That was in the SEEN Publishing report. How has MB got another book deal? Unless it was a two-book deal to start with?

The truth is that MB is projecting his own disordered beliefs about what sort of personality is allowable for men and for women onto the outside world. Outside his own head MB is no closer to being a woman than any other man is. He neither knows nor cares what matters to women because the personal construction of womanhood he inhabits has nothing to do with the reality of women, and in fact he clearly despises female people for failing to live up it.

I'd forgotten about the rest of the comments <vomits>

Particularly as the key theme for this year's Book Festival is 'Repair'. All the poets and writers in Scotland who have faced cancellation and ostracization by the Scottish literary world should have been invited. But no, they invite Munro 'lesbians are hairy dykes' Bergdorf and Nicola 'broom cupboard video' Sturgeon.

Might have something to do with this -

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/edinburgh-book-festival-handed-300k-35470264

Sorry, but I just can't get past 'Lesbians look like Justin Bieber' as an insult.
When I was a young dyke-about-town, looking like Justin Bieber would have been a distinct advantage😄
Not so much looking like JB now though😕

I suspect you are right.