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Trans girl winning every race at primary sports day

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Minibea · 01/07/2025 21:47

My DD is 8 so in year 3 at primary school. There is a male child who self-identified as a girl from roughly age 6 and has socially transitioned at school. I’ve discussed this with DD along the lines of the importance of being inclusive, respecting someone right to be addressed in the way that they prefer etc but have also been clear with her that this child is biologically male and that you can’t change your sex. All fine.

Yesterday was school sports day. The child in question won every single race again the girls. DD is quite sporty and was up there with a chance of winning in all the races so is disappointed.

I don’t want to be “that” parent with school, nor rock the boat with the parents, but as the kids get older I’m concerned about the message this is sending and also the implications for bathroom arrangements, residential trips etc etc. So I want to ask school to provide/confirm their policy around all of this but what exactly do I need to see/hear? And what “should” the policy be so I can sense check it against what’s actually happening? An idiots guide would be most welcome!

OP posts:
Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 07:09

Penguinslove · 02/07/2025 07:05

I think the single sex race is odd as our primary school is all mixed races. Some of the girls beat the boys and visa versa. I’ve not really seen a massive difference in their abilities yet. Maybe more at year 5/6 but my child hasn’t reached that age yet.

I think it’s hard to put it all down to someone being biological male in a female race as they would have a natural ability too and sounds like they would win the male races too.

i am completely torn if I would say anything

Please read the studies that have been linked to this thread.

Boys have a competitive advantage. From 6 years old.

NextRinny · 02/07/2025 07:08

I've never heard of a sex segregated primary school sports day before.

Penguinslove · 02/07/2025 07:05

I think the single sex race is odd as our primary school is all mixed races. Some of the girls beat the boys and visa versa. I’ve not really seen a massive difference in their abilities yet. Maybe more at year 5/6 but my child hasn’t reached that age yet.

I think it’s hard to put it all down to someone being biological male in a female race as they would have a natural ability too and sounds like they would win the male races too.

i am completely torn if I would say anything

Mymanyellow · 02/07/2025 07:04

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:47

They’re 8. My kids primary school has all mixed races and the boys don’t win them all and nobody whines and bitches about them being mixed either.

But these races weren’t supposed to be mixed. The school had already split them into boys races and girls races. Then because one boy said so all the girls have to move over. Nope.

UpsideDownChairs · 02/07/2025 07:04

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 01/07/2025 22:43

To be fair, lots of the 8 yr old girls beat the 8 year old boys at my dd's sports day (mixed races) so I don't think there is a huge amount in it at this age. I wouldn't say anything at this point. See how the school handles it later on when it starts to matter more.

It matters to OPs daughter, and the other girls in the races now

ThejoyofNC · 02/07/2025 07:03

I would withdraw my child from any school that allowed this.

If my child was at that sports day I'd have taken them out and gone home. Not a chance I'd let them think this was normal or acceptable.

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 07:03

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:54

Have a word with 90% of schools and sports clubs then 🤷‍♀️
My son is 10 and very small for his age and there are several girls in his class who are significantly taller and bigger than him (and clearly also have a physical advantage over him at sports day, which was evident when I watched the races).

So you think your because your son isn’t going to be able to win, that girls should have to accept that they lost to a boy if a boy wins their race? Because your school chooses to ignore the science and just have mixed races?

Sounds more like your ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude than an evidence backed argument.

Soontobe60 · 02/07/2025 07:00

ThePure · 02/07/2025 06:46

An 8 year old boy is pre puberty so if there is a difference in sports performance at this age it might just be due to being good at running. Sex related differences emerge post puberty. I would have thought that most primary schools have mixed races for that reason. I am no fan of trans ideology but pre puberty sporting advantage is not a thing.

It absolutely is ‘a thing’.

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 06:59

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:47

They’re 8. My kids primary school has all mixed races and the boys don’t win them all and nobody whines and bitches about them being mixed either.

Oh yeah. This is you!

Telling parent who would make sure girls have fair competition, who do the work in understanding the science, that they would be bitching and whining.

Nice.

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 06:57

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:54

Have a word with 90% of schools and sports clubs then 🤷‍♀️
My son is 10 and very small for his age and there are several girls in his class who are significantly taller and bigger than him (and clearly also have a physical advantage over him at sports day, which was evident when I watched the races).

Isn’t that up to you as a parent to be ‘having a word’ with your own school? Seriously? Why the fuck should anyone do your job of making sure girls in your child’s school have fair competition ? why isn’t it your job?

Soontobe60 · 02/07/2025 06:57

Sometimeswinning · 01/07/2025 22:31

At this age I think it’s all equal still. My dd is faster than some of the boys in her year and there’s a girl who often wins all the mixed races.

At my school the top 3 fastest in my class are 2 boys and one girl. It’s always close.

All of which is completely irrelevant unless the races were mixed sex.
Assuming you work in a school, you should be intelligent enough to know that sex is immutable and that single sex sport is important for fairness, safety and dignity. Would the girls in your school also be happy having to share their toilets with a boy or would they have been told by the adults to ‘be kind’ to a boy who is being manipulated by the adults around him to believe he can change sex? Ie lied to?

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 06:55

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:52

Why? Surely if all the boys are better than the girls due to sex differences then the girls would be horribly disadvantaged in mixed races too and would never win?

No. This is a fallacy.

When you look at the data, any girl winning a race against a boy over 6 years old should be considered even more exceptional than the boys in the race.

Your argument is like stating that if a bike with a motor doesn’t win the Tour de France, bikes with motors have no advantage. Do you really think that if a bike with a motor doesn’t win against bikes without motors that the one with a motor has no advantage?

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:54

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 06:51

There are links to studies posted on this thread already. Please read them. You are misinformed.

Even from 6 years old male athletes have advantage over female athletes.

Have a word with 90% of schools and sports clubs then 🤷‍♀️
My son is 10 and very small for his age and there are several girls in his class who are significantly taller and bigger than him (and clearly also have a physical advantage over him at sports day, which was evident when I watched the races).

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 06:52

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:51

That’s one paper. There’s also evidence showing it doesn’t make a big difference. Most primary schools don’t have separate races.

I have posted about 7 studies on this very thread. From Denmark, Greece, Australia and several from the USA.

How many more would you like?

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:52

Leafstamp · 02/07/2025 06:50

As someone has said, there is a difference between having mixed sex races and having single sex races that allow the opposite sex to compete.

Why? Surely if all the boys are better than the girls due to sex differences then the girls would be horribly disadvantaged in mixed races too and would never win?

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 06:51

ThePure · 02/07/2025 06:46

An 8 year old boy is pre puberty so if there is a difference in sports performance at this age it might just be due to being good at running. Sex related differences emerge post puberty. I would have thought that most primary schools have mixed races for that reason. I am no fan of trans ideology but pre puberty sporting advantage is not a thing.

There are links to studies posted on this thread already. Please read them. You are misinformed.

Even from 6 years old male athletes have advantage over female athletes.

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:51

Leafstamp · 02/07/2025 06:48

No, that’s incorrect. Boys have a physical advantage before puberty.

womenssportspolicy.org/pre-puberty-male-female-children-show-marked-differences-in-sport-performance/

That’s one paper. There’s also evidence showing it doesn’t make a big difference. Most primary schools don’t have separate races.

Leafstamp · 02/07/2025 06:50

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:47

They’re 8. My kids primary school has all mixed races and the boys don’t win them all and nobody whines and bitches about them being mixed either.

As someone has said, there is a difference between having mixed sex races and having single sex races that allow the opposite sex to compete.

Helpmeplease2025 · 02/07/2025 06:49

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:47

They’re 8. My kids primary school has all mixed races and the boys don’t win them all and nobody whines and bitches about them being mixed either.

These aren’t mixed races though. They are single sex races, with one male allowed to join for nonsense reasons.

There is no such thing as a trans child.

Leafstamp · 02/07/2025 06:48

Sometimeswinning · 01/07/2025 22:31

At this age I think it’s all equal still. My dd is faster than some of the boys in her year and there’s a girl who often wins all the mixed races.

At my school the top 3 fastest in my class are 2 boys and one girl. It’s always close.

No, that’s incorrect. Boys have a physical advantage before puberty.

womenssportspolicy.org/pre-puberty-male-female-children-show-marked-differences-in-sport-performance/

Glowingup · 02/07/2025 06:47

They’re 8. My kids primary school has all mixed races and the boys don’t win them all and nobody whines and bitches about them being mixed either.

hholiday · 02/07/2025 06:46

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 01/07/2025 22:47

And also, don't forget it's a primary school sports day. Really it's meant to be fun, not about who has a competitive advantage over who. There is always one who goes before the whistle and they don't tend to get penalised for it. Thai year a kid lost his shoe and got another chance in the next race. The main thing for the school will be making sure everyone has a good time and participates....so if the trans kid wants to race against the girls then let him....

But it still gives kids who win a thrill. Don’t take that away from little girls

ThePure · 02/07/2025 06:46

An 8 year old boy is pre puberty so if there is a difference in sports performance at this age it might just be due to being good at running. Sex related differences emerge post puberty. I would have thought that most primary schools have mixed races for that reason. I am no fan of trans ideology but pre puberty sporting advantage is not a thing.

DuchessofReality · 02/07/2025 06:35

I definitely think it is worth raising. BUT in my experience, and you will know your school best, heads HATE it being suggested they are wrong. So I would wait. There won’t be any more Sports Days this year. Don’t make it too much about what just happened.

See what happens over the summer. The new EHRC guidance will be out. The government I think is due to finalise the schools guidance. It is possible this child may de-transition.

After the summer, backed by the new guidance, raise it as in issue with school in a forward looking manner ‘in light of all the changes in guidance, can I check what your policy is now on…..’

TheWiseFrog · 02/07/2025 06:29

I’d send a few emails to no win no fee discrimination/ human rights lawyers….
I’m assuming this boy is using the girls toilets, and at his age he has no business in girls toilets. Make sure you mention Supreme Court and they’re acting illegally and breaching your daughters rights. Mention the sports day too.
I’d definitely file a complaint, but after you’ve found out whether or not a lawyer will take on your case

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