Trans girl winning every race at primary sports day

Please keep handwaving. It is still bloody hot in London and any air movement is appreciated.

You’re right! I meant ironic. Thankyou.

If you think that response is random you’re not reading the room. Or, indeed, the thread it would seem.

Teacher here. I think by year 6 it would be unusual for primary school races to be mixed, and such a race would look pretty unfair 90% of the time. So if you don’t raise it now OP you’re just kicking the can down the road.

There is a boy in my daughter’s school who wears dresses, braided hair and knee socks and for the most part can’t be told apart from the girls. He knows he’s a boy, he ran in the boys race and everyone knew where everyone stood. That’s where we should be IMO.

Most random reply I’ve ever had.

You don’t have to chat on here at all. But what you should do, is be kind to girls.

Yes. Women are often told that unless they speak in just the right way, their voices are to be ignored. It doesn’t matter what is said, because it didn’t reach the personal standard set by someone, it is to be ignored and those failing the standard should be derided until they meet the set standard.

We understand.

What if the girls aren't having a good time? Do they not count?

No I’ve not. I’ve said several times. My experience.

There was a point I thought I’m going to check this out on sports day. Then the shouty, rude people showed up and I decided I didn’t want that chat on here. Why would I??

Your posts are really strange.

you have presented this as if the fact that you don’t offer fairness to females is some kind of gotcha?

’we’ve always done something pretty shit, and I’m fairly sure other people do this same pretty shit thing, so what’s your problem.’

you have been presented in this thread with the actual facts, which are that from the age of 6, with a like for like boy and girl, the boy has an advantage.

what would be the ‘kind’ thing to do, would be for you to take these studies and facts to your next staff meeting and say ‘hey guys, we haven’t been fair on girls, studies show boys have an advantage over girls physically from 6yo, shall we seek to right this for girls.’

Not wanting to derail the thread, I also have a disability and you've put this perfectly- while I'm sure the adults felt good, it's humiliating and othering for the recipient of the 'kindness' who had no autonomy in this situation.
With regards to the transchild, it's also another misguided attempt at kindness. The child will one day realise actually most people won't accept him as a girl and this will hit much harder than if people hadn't pretended in the first place.

Ah discussion and debate are different things. I’m not here convincing people that they are incorrect. I’ve put forward a point in a discussion of what I’ve experienced therefore didn’t see an issue.

This is a classic case of what the SC judgement addresses. If they're having races labelled as single sex they have to be genuinely single sex, not mixed sex. At this age, and given it's just a primary sports day, they could just have mixed sex races. But if they have single sex races, then they are committing direct discrimination against both the girls AND the other boys by allowing one 'special' boy to race in the girls race.

Most primary schools have 'honesty' as a school value. Yet they're lying to the kids and expecting the kids to lie about something that is really important for safeguarding - sex recognition.

It's really insidious child abuse, of all the children, for an adult-led agenda pushed by some very, very dodgy people (Stephen Ireland springs to mind).

It typically only goes one way.

The male children involved are not told to ‘be kind’. The fact that the girls are is actually on par with the misogyny of allowing any male to identity into female single sex provisions.

But those who advocate for kindness don’t seem to recognise the misogyny at work in the actions they advocate for. For example, the ‘it is just fun!’ dismissal is misogynistic because it really does educate girls to prioritise people above themselves. While that is admirable to keep in decision making criteria, why should girls be taught to forgo their own needs for someone else? Aren’t girls to be valued too?

When you strip it back, girls are being taught to be the service humans. That they are there to service the needs of others.

I think anecdote is also welcome in these discussions?

I’ve yet to see a mixed race at primary school be an issue. Sorry. If it was we’d have boys and girls only races. We don’t. I will bet we are not the only school in the country to do this either.

Why is it that only girls are asked to be kind... .. the boys are not told to let the girls win the mixed sex races....

Ah I see.
I assumed you were interested in discussion.

As you were.

It’s not a girl it’s a boy.

A lot of time would be saved on these threads if people remembered anecdote isn’t data, wouldn’t it?

Thats utterly unfair on the girls. Girls drop out of sports and physical activity at a far greater rate than boys. We should be seeking to reverse that. Not disadvantaging girls feom a young age and undermining their confidence with crap like this. Your school has taken a cowards way out rather than doing what’s right for girls

I don’t think it matters to the poster.

This is completely inaccurate.

Where did you get your statistics from? Your daughter’s school? 🙄

Im not debating. If I was I’d listen to others anecdotes and life experiences. But I’m good at that. Some posters just implode that I’m not listening to them and agreeing with them.

A child who is confused about their gender is not disabled. And as a disabled person I find that deeply patronising anyway; disabled people of all ages aren't the special pets of the able bodied and they need access to equality, not manufactured awww bless experiences of everyone pretending they are something they're not. As you found, that was largely about the lovely sentimental feelz of the adults involved; the messages in that to that child and all the other children were dire. If the child doesn't know now, they will realise one day that they were had, and it was faked.

No, children should not be taught that some children are very special VIP people that have to be enabled and indulged and sacrificed to. It is not good for the special guest star child - in fact it locks them in to transitioning among other things - and teaching children poor boundaries, enablement and co dependency is a pretty rotten way to create successful future adults. Make those children almost entirely girls, and lets get Anne of the Famous Five out as the movement leader and start teaching the girls homemaking, because this is the good wives and mothers club. We owe girls one hell of a lot better than this.

Be that parent, I’m about to be. Primary school now his mixed sex races on sports day. No girl in the top 3 from year 2 or above. This is not inclusive for girls.

Laura Trott MP, shadow education secretary, was in the news at the weekend about the delay in government guidance for schools navigating the issue.