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Trans girl winning every race at primary sports day

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Minibea · 01/07/2025 21:47

My DD is 8 so in year 3 at primary school. There is a male child who self-identified as a girl from roughly age 6 and has socially transitioned at school. I’ve discussed this with DD along the lines of the importance of being inclusive, respecting someone right to be addressed in the way that they prefer etc but have also been clear with her that this child is biologically male and that you can’t change your sex. All fine.

Yesterday was school sports day. The child in question won every single race again the girls. DD is quite sporty and was up there with a chance of winning in all the races so is disappointed.

I don’t want to be “that” parent with school, nor rock the boat with the parents, but as the kids get older I’m concerned about the message this is sending and also the implications for bathroom arrangements, residential trips etc etc. So I want to ask school to provide/confirm their policy around all of this but what exactly do I need to see/hear? And what “should” the policy be so I can sense check it against what’s actually happening? An idiots guide would be most welcome!

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Talkwhilstyouwalk · 01/07/2025 22:43

To be fair, lots of the 8 yr old girls beat the 8 year old boys at my dd's sports day (mixed races) so I don't think there is a huge amount in it at this age. I wouldn't say anything at this point. See how the school handles it later on when it starts to matter more.

Helleofabore · 01/07/2025 22:39

OP

if it is any help, this thread has several studies that are relevant to how even from 6 years old, boys have male advantage in sports.

This thread has the data from Australian and Greek school children and several reviews of USA school children. The results are clear.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5142027-save-female-sports-evidence-thread?page=1

334bu · 01/07/2025 22:38

Sometimeswinning · 01/07/2025 22:31

At this age I think it’s all equal still. My dd is faster than some of the boys in her year and there’s a girl who often wins all the mixed races.

At my school the top 3 fastest in my class are 2 boys and one girl. It’s always close.

Not actually correct. Physical advantage is much less than post puberty but it still exists

womenssportspolicy.org/pre-puberty-male-female-children-show-marked-differences-in-sport-performance/

https://x.com/JamesLNuzzo/status/1891048913001746747

https://x.com/JamesLNuzzo/status/1891048913001746747

atoo · 01/07/2025 22:37

Sometimeswinning · 01/07/2025 22:31

At this age I think it’s all equal still. My dd is faster than some of the boys in her year and there’s a girl who often wins all the mixed races.

At my school the top 3 fastest in my class are 2 boys and one girl. It’s always close.

It's not equal. Boys have a significant athletic advantage over girls even before puberty.

womenssportspolicy.org/pre-puberty-male-female-children-show-marked-differences-in-sport-performance/

WithSilverBells · 01/07/2025 22:36

Sometimeswinning · 01/07/2025 22:31

At this age I think it’s all equal still. My dd is faster than some of the boys in her year and there’s a girl who often wins all the mixed races.

At my school the top 3 fastest in my class are 2 boys and one girl. It’s always close.

There is a difference between having mixed sex races and having single-sex girls' races but then allowing a boy to take part

peanutbuttertoasty · 01/07/2025 22:34

Adults telling that child they are a girl is child abuse IMO. Or would be in any sane world yet here we are.

Sometimeswinning · 01/07/2025 22:31

At this age I think it’s all equal still. My dd is faster than some of the boys in her year and there’s a girl who often wins all the mixed races.

At my school the top 3 fastest in my class are 2 boys and one girl. It’s always close.

ChateauMargaux · 01/07/2025 22:28

Girls drop out of sport because they do not believe that they belong there.. because there is a distinct lack of role models in everything that they see.. they believe that their achievements are not valued. If girls believe that they are not trying hard enough, not good enough, when they are out run by boys, they will slink off back inside and find something else to do with their time, rather than physical exercise. They deserve the chance to feel good in their bodies, to be proud of their strength, speed and stamina.. not to feel less than, because of their female bodies.

I was 'that' parent when boys were prioritised over girls... without the long unnecessary details.. it was a shitty day, but I am glad that I stood up for daughter - and every other girl pushed aside because the needs of one boy were more important than all of the girls.

akkakk · 01/07/2025 21:59

I would be that parent, I would ask why there is a boy running in the girls races…

I would also mention that I expect all the results to be amended (cf the thread on here about UPenn for an example of what they say they will be doing), or you will be happy to see the head in court for sex discrimination…

remember:

  • schools rarely now care about your child (individual teachers might, schools rarely do).
  • In a few more years you will have nothing more to do with them anyway.
  • Supporting your daughter is important
  • showing your daughter that men can not just trample over women is important
  • you will be correct in law
  • you are backed by the SC judgement - men can not be women - so, boys can not be girls.

also perhaps reach out to Sharon Davies or Martina Navratilova on social media - they are two of the biggest advocates for removing men from female sport

Igmum · 01/07/2025 21:58

You’re absolutely right Minibea and you’re not that parent. Transgender Trend have a resource pack for schools https://www.transgendertrend.com/. Legally 8 is the age at which children should start having separate toilets and changing rooms. In a year or so’s time girls in your DD’s class will start having periods. As you say there will be residential trips, there will also be PE and swimming. The school needs to get this sorted now.

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