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Council worker "lied" about police investigation of artist Victoria Culf

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DustyWindowsills · 01/07/2025 21:29

I dimly recall a news story about this last year. Artist Victoria Culf, while setting up an exhibition at Council premises (a museum), chatted about gender issues with a council worker (who brought up the subject). Subsequently the Council blocked her from easy access to her own exhibition, on the grounds of a police investigation into a hate crime. She is now suing the Council.

It now turns out (so her legal team claim) that there was no police investigation. The council worker made it all up. WTAF?

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/council-staff-lied-about-police-investigating-artist-for-gender-views-bbnf5cs2m

This is the Times. Sorry I don't know how to do those archive link thingies.

Council staff ‘lied about police investigating artist for gender views’

Victoria Culf is suing Watford council for blocking her from her exhibition after she said transitioning was harmful to children

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/council-staff-lied-about-police-investigating-artist-for-gender-views-bbnf5cs2m

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Igmum · 30/06/2026 16:53

Watfordwoman · 21/06/2026 16:05

This woman was an in your face ‘trans mum’ if you look at past pictures of local pride events - she was in all of them - not seen her at all lately …….
the first discussion I had with her was about her child not attending school and waiting for an ASD assessment (diagnosed at some point)…. The parent also got a autism diagnosis

I remember talking to her about the Hannah Barnes book and over representation of autistic teens etc and talking about a typical female presentation of autism versus male etc. within a month - this child was now a self ID boy still not in school but nothing about any med interventions etc the mum fully embraced the Trans rubbish and progress flags everywhere. A couple of friends went in to ask about booking a community space for women only - the booking got ‘lost’ - I happened to be at an event and she told me all about the Terf artist who she had banned from attending the venue even through the art was hanged (it was during the work being hanged that the conversation about puberty blockers took place) yes this woman is the I’ll tell everyone about how my child was burning in the wrong body etc - she went from being concerned about her child to full on embracing the whole rubbish in less than a year - I had even told her in my first conversation that I didn’t believe in it and it was dangerous etc etc

other stuff was going on the background that I won’t share but her employment ended very abruptly - initially I was told it was staff disciplinary but then other told me forced redundancy

it’s was horrifying to see how quickly she embraced the whole thing and was welcomed by the Pride lot - one of the key Ask Clive staff lives locally and she was very active with him and spouted the whole stonewall spiel and just called me a terf - and hateful - lost a fair few ‘friends’ over this as I was at that point very active in community based work

Oh my looks like this was one of many actions - the trans zealots are really really vicious

Watfordwoman · 21/06/2026 16:12

Should also say that she told me the police were fully on board as was the council - I asked someone senior if they were on board and they alluded to now having additional info - I guess this was about the false crime number - I didn’t know about this but she had told me that was being advised what to do but a friend who knows the law - I told it wasn’t but she just called a terf bigot

Watfordwoman · 21/06/2026 16:05

Igmum · 21/06/2026 08:22

Such good news and I too hope that whichever council worker invented the Police crime number faced disciplinary action. I also hope that every other council, local authority, mayoral authority and government department in the country reads this result and checks their own activities.

And @Watfordwoman what did happen behind the scenes? 🍿

This woman was an in your face ‘trans mum’ if you look at past pictures of local pride events - she was in all of them - not seen her at all lately …….
the first discussion I had with her was about her child not attending school and waiting for an ASD assessment (diagnosed at some point)…. The parent also got a autism diagnosis

I remember talking to her about the Hannah Barnes book and over representation of autistic teens etc and talking about a typical female presentation of autism versus male etc. within a month - this child was now a self ID boy still not in school but nothing about any med interventions etc the mum fully embraced the Trans rubbish and progress flags everywhere. A couple of friends went in to ask about booking a community space for women only - the booking got ‘lost’ - I happened to be at an event and she told me all about the Terf artist who she had banned from attending the venue even through the art was hanged (it was during the work being hanged that the conversation about puberty blockers took place) yes this woman is the I’ll tell everyone about how my child was burning in the wrong body etc - she went from being concerned about her child to full on embracing the whole rubbish in less than a year - I had even told her in my first conversation that I didn’t believe in it and it was dangerous etc etc

other stuff was going on the background that I won’t share but her employment ended very abruptly - initially I was told it was staff disciplinary but then other told me forced redundancy

it’s was horrifying to see how quickly she embraced the whole thing and was welcomed by the Pride lot - one of the key Ask Clive staff lives locally and she was very active with him and spouted the whole stonewall spiel and just called me a terf - and hateful - lost a fair few ‘friends’ over this as I was at that point very active in community based work

Igmum · 21/06/2026 08:22

Such good news and I too hope that whichever council worker invented the Police crime number faced disciplinary action. I also hope that every other council, local authority, mayoral authority and government department in the country reads this result and checks their own activities.

And @Watfordwoman what did happen behind the scenes? 🍿

NewspaperTaxis · 20/06/2026 23:16

Don't costs get passed on to local residents? I assumed that is why councils are very keen on legal action - in a way, they can't lose for that very reason.

The person responsible for this won't get punished - it's all kept in the family usually. If anything, they will prove more biddable in future, now someone has got something on them.

Not sure the police would go after them as the police and the council tend to be mates.

anyolddinosaur · 20/06/2026 20:32

I doubt many people would get jail terms - but I agree a few prosecutions would save a lot of police time and public money. A few generous fines or suspended sentences would be enough.

Watfordwoman · 20/06/2026 20:03

lcakethereforeIam · 20/06/2026 13:16

Good news. Especially this bit

As part of the resolution, however, Watford Borough Council has committed to working with Mrs Culf again

I've seen mealy mouthed 'apologies' for outrageous partisan behaviour and been left with the certainty that the artist, poet, dancer defamed will be quietly blacklisted. That this, hopefully, won't happen here is a great development.

Victoria is very generous and forgiving to the people who defamed her. Christian you might say.

A group of us pesky woman have been in touch with the council offering our services 😁

Hoardasurass · 20/06/2026 19:20

Id like to see the council employee in question prosecuted for making a false police report and lieing about said report including making up a crime number with a hate crime enhancement.

Its about time that the police not only stop taking these malicious claims of bigotry and hate as wasting police time and harassment, once they do and enough of these gender ideology bigots face jail terms for their hate will we see an end to this sort of behaviour

Heggettypeg · 20/06/2026 15:53

anyolddinosaur · 20/06/2026 15:49

@CassOle Thanks. Letting your employer in for legal action that they need to settle out of court should at least be grounds for disciplinary action.

Perhaps the council should just invoice them for however much it cost...

anyolddinosaur · 20/06/2026 15:49

@CassOle Thanks. Letting your employer in for legal action that they need to settle out of court should at least be grounds for disciplinary action.

CassOle · 20/06/2026 13:27

Archive versions. https://archive.ph/E2p8h
archive.ph/3jFmS

GCAcademic · 20/06/2026 13:23

The spiteful council employee should be sacked. Losing your job should be the default consequence when you strive to damage someone else’s livelihood. Plus they have cost their employer and, therefore, the taxpayer money because they wanted their woke kicks.

lcakethereforeIam · 20/06/2026 13:21

Watfordwoman · 02/07/2025 10:59

I actually know about this case and the specifics as I’m a local to Watford. Happy to share info once the court case is resolved

🍿 😁

lcakethereforeIam · 20/06/2026 13:16

Good news. Especially this bit

As part of the resolution, however, Watford Borough Council has committed to working with Mrs Culf again

I've seen mealy mouthed 'apologies' for outrageous partisan behaviour and been left with the certainty that the artist, poet, dancer defamed will be quietly blacklisted. That this, hopefully, won't happen here is a great development.

Victoria is very generous and forgiving to the people who defamed her. Christian you might say.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 12:53

Good result, these all contribute. Hopefully the council will think twice next time, I imagine this was expensive for them.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 12/07/2025 18:19

NoBinturongsHereMate · 12/07/2025 17:37

It's an EA issue - but only in 1 direction. So it's not a case of a clash of PCs.

The council worker is (via the coincil) providing a service, and discriminated against the artist because of her protected characteristic.

The artist is not providing a service, and didn't discriminate against the council worker - who doesn't have a relevant protected characteristic.

Yes, I agree. I have not suggested otherwise.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 12/07/2025 17:37

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 02/07/2025 16:14

it's not even really an Equality Act issue

At first I thought the same but I agree that it is, in addition to all the other wrong-doing.

The Council worker's harassment of the artist would constitute unlawful discrimination against Victoria Culf in provision of a service by the Council, ie. on the basis of Culf's protected gender critical beliefs.

EDIT to correct initial misunderstanding of the post I am replying to!

Edited

It's an EA issue - but only in 1 direction. So it's not a case of a clash of PCs.

The council worker is (via the coincil) providing a service, and discriminated against the artist because of her protected characteristic.

The artist is not providing a service, and didn't discriminate against the council worker - who doesn't have a relevant protected characteristic.

Sazzasez · 03/07/2025 14:24

DustyWindowsills · 01/07/2025 22:09

Thank you Icake. 🙏🏻

I'm trying my hardest (and possibly failing) to reserve judgement on the council employee's motives and/or mental state. But the Council should have made more effort to verify the facts before taking action against the artist. If she wins the case (and I'm guessing her lawyers wouldn't make this claim without evidence), then perhaps this will be a wake-up call to lazy fuckwits in local government.

If it’s true the employee even made up a police crime number, that looks to me like fraud.

Magenta82 · 03/07/2025 09:22

Yeah that's what I thought, I'm not a fan of the Lib Dems in general but whenever I have spoken with the mayor (either Dorothy or Peter) or councillors they have been OK and they have helped a lot with a project I used to work on.

But realistically in this situation it isn't the elected officials who caused this but the council staff who could, and clearly do, have their own agendas.

Watfordwoman · 03/07/2025 09:03

Magenta82 · 02/07/2025 12:06

Shame it is closed, I remember going on school trips in the 80s.

The Lib Dems have dominated the council for a long time, as shown by the limited number of elected mayors in the last 25 years, but I do know that a lot of them used to be members of the same church as Dorothy Thornhill and Ian Sharpe so didn't know if that made a difference to their perspective.

I'd be interested to hear your take, have you contacted Victoria Culf's legal team to let them know what was said to you?

They follow the official line but off record are not hardline

Hoardasurass · 02/07/2025 22:04

Magenta82 · 02/07/2025 19:40

They asked for the phone to be searched but the tribunal denied the request they also wanted to add Upton's supervisor as a respondent, this was also refused.

The judge denied it because the lawyer for Dr Upton and NHS Fife said it was already being examined.
So we may yet see the data

Magenta82 · 02/07/2025 19:40

They asked for the phone to be searched but the tribunal denied the request they also wanted to add Upton's supervisor as a respondent, this was also refused.