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AnSolas · 01/07/2025 08:31

@WarriorN
School entry would be a problem with timing and trusting the system for anyone involved in school visits.

His org would do DBS checks but if he is management he can circumvent that process. That leaves the staff with a problem about whistleblowing to a third party school.

Even if the school did not rely on the organisations assurance and asked to see a Cert its an old one from before arrest.

If his arrest is after any DBS checks the organisation are relying on him being honest (not a chance) about it or finding out from another source (I am assuming the DBS is not setup to push out real time alerts when an arrest for that of serious crime happens?).

I am assuming that any officers involved with school visits are not allowed to do pre-visit checks on the police system (without a policy/process anyway)? I am guessing the sex crimes unit staff are careful about not being seen to leak information which could lead to a mistrial. Plus during the investigation because its distribution of CSA images "co-worker" police officers become possible suspects as they fall within the possible child CSA ring just by being in regular contact with the arrested distributor. And regular gossip headsup options are not effective. Sadly we have seen that senior officers are political and willing to turn a blind eye if it helps them be seen as TRSOH champions so in the end its down to who writes the child protection policy for police visits.

sashh · 01/07/2025 08:27

BeLemonNow · 30/06/2025 19:14

Why is the sentence for raping an underage boy so much longer than the recent sentences for raping underage girls?

Sorry but someone was going to point this out...might as well be me!

Different judge to start.

Also they filmed what they were doing and distributed it. I don't know if that is the reason but it might be.

BeanQuisine · 01/07/2025 08:22

More details about this vile man on Reduxx:

UK: Prominent Pride Activist Sentenced to 30 Years for Multiple Child Sex Offenses, Rape of 12 Year Old Boy

In August of 2024, Reduxx learned that Ireland had further used his influence in the LGBT community to groom and encourage a teen girl to embrace being a transgender “leather pup.”

The earliest messages between Ireland and “Julie” date back to 2018, when she was just 16. One year later, at the August 2019 Pride event, Julie can be seen dressed in “leather pup” fetish gear, a community most associated with gay males that involve sexually submissive partners roleplaying as dogs. In a photo, Ireland can be seen holding a lead fastened around the teenage girl’s neck.

Julie eventually took testosterone, and underwent a double mastectomy and hysterectomy. Ireland spent her 18th birthday with her, while she was wearing the pup fetish gear.

Ireland had previously defended minors being involved in the BDSM community, claiming children “inherently understand everything.”

UK: Prominent Pride Activist Sentenced to 30 Years for Multiple Child Sex Offenses, Rape of 12 Year Old Boy - Reduxx

The founder of a top LGBT organization in the UK has been sentenced to 30 years in prison for raping a 12 year old boy, along with a plethora of other disturbing offenses related to the sexual abuse of children. Stephen Ireland, 41, was found guilty in...

https://reduxx.info/uk-prominent-pride-activist-sentenced-to-30-years-for-multiple-child-sex-offenses-rape-of-12-year-old-boy/

StPancreasPiano · 01/07/2025 08:14

I know @Theeyeballsinthesky . Nothing to see here, again 🙄

Memoryhole · 01/07/2025 08:09

You have to really wonder why a man who’s fantasy involved forcibly castrating small boys was such an active proponent of ’gender affirmative care’.

Or then again, maybe not.

The quiet thing out loud from a member of the Sacred Caste.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 01/07/2025 07:51

Nothing on the main news that I saw or heard @StPancreasPiano i mean it’s not as if this is an important story is it? Not when the bbc needs to tell us about the royal train being cut

StPancreasPiano · 01/07/2025 07:45

I had to dig deep to find this on the BBC news website this morning. Does anyone know if it was mentioned on television or radio news? Or was talking about a drug taking 'entertainer', again, more important than child safety?

On the timing the local police were reported to have gone into local schools with him after he was charged.

He was still allowed to go into schools after being charged? JFC.

WarriorN · 01/07/2025 07:04

AnSolas · 30/06/2025 21:06

His ex also a co-founder remained involved in Pride although there is nothing to suggest he also has ever had sexual imvolvement with children.

His current is the one convicted with him.

One of the older thread for background

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5143082-founder-of-surrey-pride-charged-with-child-sex-abuse?page=1

On the timing the local police were reported to have gone into local schools with him after he was charged.

@RoyalCorgi thanks for the update

I mean, talk about a Jimmy Savile mo.

WarriorN · 01/07/2025 07:03

I found it on his time line

https://x.com/jonnywsbell/status/1939738925981159728?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

good. The worst example of hiding in plain sight for a while.

jks post is spot on

Stephen Ireland sentenced
ChuffKnows · 30/06/2025 22:35

DworkinWasRight · 30/06/2025 20:35

Oh look, here’s a clip of Stephen Ireland having a nice chat with none other than Jordan Gray about what children know:

x.com/jonnywsbell/status/1939738925981159728?s=46&t=QgPnV7xreFuVAM62pbc41g

Has this been deleted?

AnSolas · 30/06/2025 21:06

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2025 16:37

Wasn't there another one of the Pride organisers also in court?
Worth remembering that some schools openly welcomed Ireland under the guise of his Pride leadership. Grim.

His ex also a co-founder remained involved in Pride although there is nothing to suggest he also has ever had sexual imvolvement with children.

His current is the one convicted with him.

One of the older thread for background

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5143082-founder-of-surrey-pride-charged-with-child-sex-abuse?page=1

On the timing the local police were reported to have gone into local schools with him after he was charged.

@RoyalCorgi thanks for the update

Founder of Surrey Pride charged with child sex abuse | Mumsnet

Gosh. I remember this person from a few years ago when Starbucks was doing its Mermaid biscuits campaign. A local councillor (?) raised her concerns a...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5143082-founder-of-surrey-pride-charged-with-child-sex-abuse?page=1

Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2025 20:49

DworkinWasRight · 30/06/2025 20:35

Oh look, here’s a clip of Stephen Ireland having a nice chat with none other than Jordan Gray about what children know:

x.com/jonnywsbell/status/1939738925981159728?s=46&t=QgPnV7xreFuVAM62pbc41g

Stephen Ireland: "Children are innocent"

Yet being the perverted pedophile he is he still raped one.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/06/2025 20:47

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/06/2025 20:30

BBC chose to tuck the Stephen Ireland article safely in the

UK > England > Local News > Surrey section.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kkrxdpndo

Ah yes the bbc equivalent of “on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard'.”

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2025 20:38

DworkinWasRight · 30/06/2025 20:35

Oh look, here’s a clip of Stephen Ireland having a nice chat with none other than Jordan Gray about what children know:

x.com/jonnywsbell/status/1939738925981159728?s=46&t=QgPnV7xreFuVAM62pbc41g

So many red flags 😡

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2025 20:37

Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/06/2025 20:22

And yet oddly the guardian chooses to ignore this story in favour of yet another piece about the death of The Vivienne

the BBC also has the Vivienne on the main news page while Stephen Ireland doesbt appear to be anywhere https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

Of course they did. I watched a rather inept reporter mangling his lengthy report with lots of they and their pronouns. Think he was the LGB etc reporter? Wonder how on earth he missed this appalling case involving the rape of a child in favour of in favour of yet another drag queen report?

Also worth pointing out that the author of this article, Malcom Clark, is a gay man:

thecritic.co.uk/the-lgbtq-movement-has-a-paedophile-problem/

DworkinWasRight · 30/06/2025 20:35

Oh look, here’s a clip of Stephen Ireland having a nice chat with none other than Jordan Gray about what children know:

x.com/jonnywsbell/status/1939738925981159728?s=46&t=QgPnV7xreFuVAM62pbc41g

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/06/2025 20:30

Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/06/2025 20:22

And yet oddly the guardian chooses to ignore this story in favour of yet another piece about the death of The Vivienne

the BBC also has the Vivienne on the main news page while Stephen Ireland doesbt appear to be anywhere https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

BBC chose to tuck the Stephen Ireland article safely in the

UK > England > Local News > Surrey section.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kkrxdpndo

police custody photo of Stephen Ireland

Surrey Pride founder jailed for rape of boy, 12

Stephen Ireland, 41, from Addlestone, was sentenced alongside his former partner David Sutton, 27.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kkrxdpndo

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/06/2025 20:25

Well done, Surrey Police’s Complex Abuse Unit.

https://www.surrey.police.uk/news/surrey/news/2025/two-men-jailed-after-being-found-guilty-of-multiple-child-sex-offences/

Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/06/2025 20:22

And yet oddly the guardian chooses to ignore this story in favour of yet another piece about the death of The Vivienne

the BBC also has the Vivienne on the main news page while Stephen Ireland doesbt appear to be anywhere https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

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SinnerBoy · 30/06/2025 19:59

Christ. The best mitigation his barrister could come up with was that he "didn't abuse his position in Pride to commit the offences."

I think that the disparity in sentences is becasue the victim was 12; raping under 13s results in stronger sentences.

BeanQuisine · 30/06/2025 19:53

A lot more about the Ireland case here:

The LGBTQ+ movement has a paedophile problem

myplace · 30/06/2025 19:33

Good. May Pride take note and reconsider their safeguarding.

eulittleb831 · 30/06/2025 19:27

To clarify
24 years jail
6 years extended licence
20 years before eligible for parole

BeLemonNow · 30/06/2025 19:14

Why is the sentence for raping an underage boy so much longer than the recent sentences for raping underage girls?

Sorry but someone was going to point this out...might as well be me!

Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2025 18:16

30 years! That is a decent sentence length for once.