I just had a comment removed from the ‘Tell Us Your Controversial Opinion’ thread…

Brilliant 😁

The trouble is that we were accused of being transphobic and no one wanted that label.

I have responded to some of the posters that I disagree with. I think that after 'no debate' we need to reply in some way. So many people have gone along with untruths (which have terrible consequences) due to social pressure, threats and a lack of critical thinking. Bad ideas are shown to be bad when they are explored.

Live not by lies!

Where's the thread?
I'll see if I have more luck

Great post.
We just need to keep saying no to the incessant whiners.
They're wrong.
Even our wibbly wobbly PM has finally told the captured NHS, civil service etc to get on with it and obey the bloody law.

I guess I’m just sick of the incessant attention seeking garbage.

It won't.

They can post

WOMEN CAN NEVER HAVE PENISES

as much as they damn well like.

If they do so in the context of complaining they just do our work for us and Streisand the point.

I think it comes down to this for me.

I'm not here to be nice. I'm here to say no. And saying no is ok. Women are allowed to say no. If you don't like it, its up to THEM to provide a good coherent arguement of why women are not allowed to say and provide adequate good quality evidence of why we are wrong.

And thats ultimately never going to happen, because they can't get past "what is a woman and how do you define this in law in a meaningful way without reference to sexist gender stereotypes and a coherent manner?" or The Staniland Question.

Its impossible.

@RedToothBrush
I’m not at all worried that anything we post will make a useful TRA screenshot.

Women were here talking about the negative impacts on Women’s rights long before JKR spoke up. I remember the excitement when she spoke up, the disappointment when she rowed back a bit, followed by elation when after doing her research she came back fully determined to stand up for women. Helped I’m sure by the remarkable deluge of abuse, threats and scolding she received from both the insignificant and the famous.

Since when she’s become a bit of a shero for staying strong against the appalling abuse she’s received. And for her extraordinary philanthropy.

Do you mean the ‘people who menstruate’ tweet?

this one?

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1269382518362509313?s=46

‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?

There were quite a few threads at the time. Advance search will help you find them.

I agree.

I think there are rare times to ignore, but generally I found early on in my lurking that reading responses to even goady posts and threads helped me to formulate my position. And sometimes brought out some excellent links too.

It does feel like ground hog day sometimes though.

I’m newish to mumsnet and am honestly surprised at how vocal everyone is in relation to this issue.

Yet when JK Rowling made the comment about women and periods, she was vilified. It would be interesting to see a mumsnet thread of that time. Was everyone just as supportive?

Jesus must want them...you, know, 'Jesus wants me for a sunbeam'?

Oh, I agree on that one. Women don't have penises ever! Utterly and trivially true. Will this thread survive?

Good plan. Sunbeams.

Honestly I don't think we need to stress.

Keep doing what we are already doing.

Why are we worried about screen shots?

WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG.

Stop trying to accomodate behaviour and getting stuck in this mindset that we have to somehow moderate our language and behaviour and our tone etc etc.

WE DO NOT.

Our argument should be sufficient on its own. As long as we are not personally attacking, its tough titty. If they don't like the disagreement, then thats not our problem to solve.

If you come up with a ridiculous argument, then dismantling it as a ridiculous argument is par for the course in my book. It is not hate.

Pandering to that bollocks, only serves to stop us actually talking and being honest. We spend the entire time fannying around trying to be nice, when we are never going to win an argument like that - for many the ENTIRE POINT is about controlling our behaviour and making us comply and conform. If you don't it breaks the hold they have. And thats the thing that drives them potty - because suddenly women are saying no. And they just haven't come across it before and its a shock. A much needed shock too.

We are not here to be nice. We are here for the debate, to get points across and to show how dumb some of the things we are supposed to be swallowing is.

The levels of agism, sexism, racism and homophobia that come with the scolders is worth highlighting. Again and again and again.

Respect is a two way streak. I'm not bothered about trying to win 'moral high ground'. Its a pointless exercise. I'm here to point out the lunacy and incoherent cultish nonsense.

I'm never going to change the mind of the brainwashed anyway. So why are we trying? It needs a firm 'No'. And yes a sense of humour. Cos its laughable.

We already do this!

With a sense of humour.

And yet, as we know, women do not have penises.

Trouble with ignoring is that it looks like we can't refute their statements. Every time an FWR thread hits Active or shows up in someone's search it may mean someone who has not thought much about the topic sees it. So for me it is not so much that the bad faith ploppers don't deserve our time as that the lurkers do. They deserve not to be presented with bad info that is left unchallenged.

A standard response that also links to some relevant well argued existing threads would be my suggestion.

Working ATM but happy to get involved / facilitate a summary thread of refutation to recurring TRA arguments as a counterpart to the Break It Down thread.

Every TRA plopper is an opportunity to spread sunshine 🌞 so from now on I think I'm going to call them sunbeams :)

I agree. I think they should just be ignored.

We could have a standard reply. I'll start

• No one thinks ‘trans people’ don’t exist
• Biological determinism doesn’t mean what you think it means
• Transwomen shouldn’t be in female-only spaces because they are male, nothing to do with being trans
• Many posters know trans and/or non-binary people
• Many posters have trans identifying relatives, including children
• We have already educated ourselves

It's a bit weird that in all the dross that's been posted on that thread that yours was the comment to be deleted.

Hmm.

Online harms?

If they want to go down that route, it'd be interesting to see the forums telling CHILDREN to go and take drugs they've bought online from dodgy illegal sites, go behind their parents backs and alienate from parents...

So, I'm not particularly worried about screen shots because the thresholds required would raise some very interesting debates in public.

There have been a number of obsessive TRA posters on our boards recently. Could we please refuse to engage with their nonsense as they are clearly looking for screenshots.
We all know who they are.

Me too!