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Mumsnet Obsession With Penises

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Manfreglory · 29/06/2025 18:33

My controversial opinion is that most of the Mums who obsess here over penises, uteruses and chromosomes, would pick more important and interesting topics if their own child was trans.

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YesButNoButMayybee · 30/06/2025 12:52

TheKeatingFive · 30/06/2025 12:34

I don't know. There are middle aged, liberal Canadians in the most hermetically sealed echo chambers you'll ever see in your life. So it could be that this person has simply never come across a questioning view on this, ever.

I still don't think that's an excuse. Everyone knows full well the facts of the situation. Otherwise the argument really wouldn't exist.

ArabellaScott · 30/06/2025 12:47

You talk so fondly about your husbands' penises yet if a trans woman has one, it's the enemy.

This is a version of the 'you've all got gender neutral loos in your house'.

Its the same fallacy. And it's exactly the same argument that used to be used against rape victims.

A woman who has consenting sex with a man does not therefore sign away the need for her consent to interactions with other men/penises.

Women are allowed to choose which penises they are exposed to or interact with, and to suggest otherwise is gross rape culture.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 30/06/2025 12:41

Manfreglory · 30/06/2025 02:30

The origin of this post is that Mumsnet users were asked to share a controversial opinion.

This opinion has been reinforced beyond my wildest dreams.

Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person. Or are able, even, to comprehend what that entails.

Too bigoted to understand that no, we don't all look and feel the same; yes, throughout history people's childhoods have been blighted by gender dysphoria and that: yes, it's a real, actual, come-by-it-honestly thing.

"Its absurd! It's made up! It's ideology! We cannot imagine it and we've never seen it so it must be a plot!"

Go back to your Daily Mail: I'm done.

Er "WE don't all look the same"?
I thought you definitely weren't Trans.

Make your mind up.

TheKeatingFive · 30/06/2025 12:34

YesButNoButMayybee · 30/06/2025 12:25

No. I really don't think any middle aged person can be excused this level of ignorance, stupidity and wilful denial of truth and fact.

I don't know. There are middle aged, liberal Canadians in the most hermetically sealed echo chambers you'll ever see in your life. So it could be that this person has simply never come across a questioning view on this, ever.

Helleofabore · 30/06/2025 12:28

Datun · 30/06/2025 11:34

I grew up in the 80's; had my bum fondled on a staircase aged 7; was flashed at, cat called and had 'whore' shouted at me as a frightened teen...by men. I was terrified walking home from the bus stop - I used to take my shoes off and run.

i'll never understand how people like the OP don't realise that now this man, and every other predator in the land, can follow them straight into the toilet, changing room - and rape refuge.

@Manfreglory imagine if we invented a rule that said adult men could be alone with children and teens, because they belonged to a special sub group of men who said they genuinely meant them no harm.

What do you think would happen?

And you really think that now everybody believes that ALL priests are predators??

Stop just blindly thinking that a sub group of men are the most vulnerable people in the world, and listen to what is actually happening because they are demanding a loophole that erases safeguarding altogether.

Why would they do that? And why would you support it?

They simply have allocated a false categorisation of 'true trans' and then further falsely assumed that no male person who holds the philosophical belief that they are no longer male will ever be harming a female person of any age.

It defies all logic but they need to maintain that falsehood to be able to remain supportive of allowing male people into the female single sex provisions.

It is actually quite a ridiculous premise to start with when you consider historical events.

YesButNoButMayybee · 30/06/2025 12:25

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 30/06/2025 12:14

I have posted in Site Stuff suggesting that MNHQ add an Announcement when they shunt threads from other Boards in to FWR.

OP should be ashamed that their standard of debate was so poor that PPs judged them to be an 11 year old.

If the OP really is a middle-aged Canadian, as per the only previous post that I could find, then given the parlous state of mainstream journalism and media in Canada perhaps they can be excused their level of indoctrination and ignorance? 🤷‍♀️

No. I really don't think any middle aged person can be excused this level of ignorance, stupidity and wilful denial of truth and fact.

SternJoyousBee · 30/06/2025 12:19

BettyBooper · 30/06/2025 10:56

The really sad thing for me is, that conversation was nearly identical to one I had with my best friend on this issue 😥.

I just couldn't believe it. Still can't. 😥

Did you get any sense of the genesis of her opinions? Trans friends? Or just wanting to #bekind?

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 30/06/2025 12:14

WithSilverBells · 30/06/2025 11:17

Mumsnet's habit of shunting threads that started elsewhere into FWR is not helping things. Particularly when neither the OP nor FWR regulars realise what has happened.

Yes, I imagine the transfer is as much of a shock, if not more, to the OP than it is to us.
OP should be ashamed that their standard of debate was so poor that PPs judged them to be an 11 year old.

I have posted in Site Stuff suggesting that MNHQ add an Announcement when they shunt threads from other Boards in to FWR.

OP should be ashamed that their standard of debate was so poor that PPs judged them to be an 11 year old.

If the OP really is a middle-aged Canadian, as per the only previous post that I could find, then given the parlous state of mainstream journalism and media in Canada perhaps they can be excused their level of indoctrination and ignorance? 🤷‍♀️

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 30/06/2025 12:13

Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person.

I suppose technically mine is trans. Thankfully no one is suggesting any medication or surgery to attempt turn them into a t-rex though.

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2025 12:05

PrettyDamnCosmic · 30/06/2025 10:39

Alternatively it's an 11 year old in a different time zone. 02:30 BST is 21:30 in New York & 18:30 in San Francisco.

Exactly...

...it's fascinating really.

EdithStourton · 30/06/2025 12:05

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 30/06/2025 02:33

Reminds me of the exchanges between Tom Swarbrick and Rachel who called in to LBC:

https://x.com/LBC/status/1504855407373787143

I've just watched that.
His face!

And his patience... the caller came over as a clueless, well-intentioned midwit with the critical thinking skills of a whelk.

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 30/06/2025 12:02

BettyBooper · 30/06/2025 09:08

Meatball curry?! Is this a thing?

Yes agreed. There's lots of incoherent nonsense flying in.

I made a really delicious meatball curry once. I think it was a gousto recipe. I'll have to go and check the recipe folder.

Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2025 12:00

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 30/06/2025 11:52

I just had a Google to see if I could buy some bull penis for a beef curry, and found out that you can actually buy a bull penis walking stick mobility aid.

I know that it's a common thought to think who was the first person to see some cows udders and think I'm going to drink from that, but more importantly who looked at a bulls penis and thought that would make a nice walking stick that would.

I had to turn my safe search off for that and it still insisted on blurring images.

For some reason I read it as bull penis wanking stick. Luckily I did not search that as I fear for what I may have seen!

Datun · 30/06/2025 11:58

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 30/06/2025 11:54

If I die in mysterious circumstances, someone please delete my browser history.

😁😁😁

sometimes advertising suggestions make me do a double take!!

EdithStourton · 30/06/2025 11:57

DeanElderberry · 30/06/2025 09:32

There must have been so many returnees with recipe books and eating habits shaped in Indian kitchens from 1947 on - though curries had been popular for centuries. Remember the bit in E F Benson's Queen Lucia (1920) with the guru/curry cook?

It's as though the OP knows nothing about culinary history or British and Irish domestic habits.

That is the impression given, yes. Bods were coming back from Asia in the C19th, bringing curry recipes with them.

I'm getting the urge to go and see what the options are... I know we've got coconut milk in stock...

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 30/06/2025 11:54

If I die in mysterious circumstances, someone please delete my browser history.

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 30/06/2025 11:54

MistyGreenAndBlue · 30/06/2025 11:44

There are actual videos on the Internet of Transwomen wanking with their actual penis in the ladies.

Uploaded by said actual Transwomen themselves in many cases.

This is where we had got to before the SC decision. They were totally unafraid of any consequences. Because "I'm a real woman you bigot" covered it for them.

Explain how this was ever ok?

Yeah, there's a reason women are objecting to this. I remember seeing some video recently where a panel of four trans women were laughing about listening to women urinate and how it was different to men. (Anyone know what this was snd have a link). I have never in my 50 years paid attention to the sound of other women urinating. It's all about invading women's privacy and making us uncomfortable whether it's listening to us and joking about it or getting their penises out or simply walking in, knowing women will be too scared to challenge them.
My patience is done with this.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 30/06/2025 11:53

Manfreglory · 29/06/2025 20:12

I'm sorry a trans woman raped you and I believe you. I just don't see why that justifies forcing the 99.99% of non-rapist trans women to use men' loos where they are about 1000 times more likely to be raped than any average woman.

And there it is. The proof that you are knowingly talking absolute bobbins.
(Not that I ever thought otherwise)

No one - not even the most deluded Transactivist on the planet actually believes this. It's been proven a lie too many times now.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 30/06/2025 11:52

Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2025 11:49

I can't do a penis curry recipe but I suppose with regards the penis you could include it in these two recipes. (That hopefully appear momentarily).

And this is a post I never thought I'd write!!

I just had a Google to see if I could buy some bull penis for a beef curry, and found out that you can actually buy a bull penis walking stick mobility aid.

I know that it's a common thought to think who was the first person to see some cows udders and think I'm going to drink from that, but more importantly who looked at a bulls penis and thought that would make a nice walking stick that would.

Datun · 30/06/2025 11:52

MistyGreenAndBlue · 30/06/2025 11:44

There are actual videos on the Internet of Transwomen wanking with their actual penis in the ladies.

Uploaded by said actual Transwomen themselves in many cases.

This is where we had got to before the SC decision. They were totally unafraid of any consequences. Because "I'm a real woman you bigot" covered it for them.

Explain how this was ever ok?

Exactly.

It's such a waste of time talking to people about the ethics of it, the conceptualisation of what it all means, etc, when you've actually got blokes with their cocks out in the ladies on porn hub.

What's the point in debating, endlessly, about why certain people should get access, why it's kind, why it's not fair to exclude them, bio essentialism and bigotry, when men pretending to be women wanking in the ladies is now a porn genre.

Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2025 11:49

BackToLurk · 30/06/2025 10:11

Could someone bring the thread full circle by providing a recipe for curried penis?

I can't do a penis curry recipe but I suppose with regards the penis you could include it in these two recipes. (That hopefully appear momentarily).

And this is a post I never thought I'd write!!

Mumsnet Obsession With Penises
Mumsnet Obsession With Penises
SidewaysOtter · 30/06/2025 11:48

Fuck me, is Reddit down or is it just that the university exam period is over? We seem to have an endless parade of shitwits derailing threads, posting disingenuous faux-wide-eyed bollocks and displaying the sort of debating skills I'd expect from a four year old.

Anyway, back to the recipes. On the 1950s curry, my grandmother used to make one that was - as far as I can remember - left-over meat from a Sunday roast, chopped tomatoes, stock, curry paste, onions and sultanas. Served with chopped bananas and desiccated coconut.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 30/06/2025 11:44

Manfreglory · 29/06/2025 19:59

yes it is a crime and IMO nobody should be dangling their penis about - stats show that those doing the dangling are men not trans women.

There are actual videos on the Internet of Transwomen wanking with their actual penis in the ladies.

Uploaded by said actual Transwomen themselves in many cases.

This is where we had got to before the SC decision. They were totally unafraid of any consequences. Because "I'm a real woman you bigot" covered it for them.

Explain how this was ever ok?

Shortshriftandlethal · 30/06/2025 11:41

Manfreglory · 29/06/2025 21:35

I don't doubt it. But the fact that you can name this person by definition makes it an anecdote and you can anecdotalize literally anything. Does it happen? Yes. Are trans women men? No, they're trans women.

You are aware that Susie Green is a well known trans advocate and is the person who started up 'Mermaids' - the charity which encourages people to trans their children. She publicly joked about how her son was " probably just gay"...and how her husband hated the fact he liked playing with " girly toys" so much so that the child's favourite toys were removed.

BackToLurk · 30/06/2025 11:40

I'd be interested to know what @Manfreglory thinks a 'man-identifying man'. I imagine most men are just 'men'. Are they then fine in the OP's world because they don't consciously identify as me? And how did @Manfreglory know the men concerned were 'men-identifying'? How can we see their identity?