Mumsnet Obsession With Penises

I laughed an inordinate amount at that!

F me, these ridiculous OP’s are getting dull. Is school out or something?

I see the footstamping over the SC judgement continues.

Males aren't allowed in female single sex spaces. Sorry pal.

Actual footage of our recent visitors.

So for clarity average woman = woman with XX chromosomes or a vulva for instance?

Non-average woman=everyone else?

My husband will be pleased. He’s been very keen to be considered a little bit extra.
Maybe this explains why Imane Khelif and Lia Thomas are such winners.

You talk so fondly about your husbands' penises

i do not!

you take that back!

1. 70% of the transwomen in UK prisons are sex offenders. How many is the number you think women are justified in being concerned about?

2. we 'force' all the other non rapist men to use the mens loos too, why do you think that is?

3. there are no recorded instances of a transwoman being harmed in a men's single sex space ever in the UK.

Your evidence for this is?

You will be pleased to know that many transwomen already use the men's toilets and can report nothing untoward happening.

How do you justify the risk to women by allowing all transwomen rapist and non rapist alike entry into women's toilets? What's your base number for women and girls being sexually assaulted or raped before you will reconsider this position?

There is a damn good reason why all males are excluded from female spaces and services, and all males includes transwomen as they are indeed biological males.

This thread is a pointless waste of time.

Women can't commit rape, so it's not mathematically possible to work out how many more times likely a trans woman is to commit rape than a woman is. You can't have a multiple of zero.

I mean, that’s an obviously made up statistic.

even if it were true (it isn’t), women aren’t human shields. It would be an argument for additional third spaces for trans people.

Fuck! Where did this thread come from! Another one moved to the naughty corner.

I just don't see why that justifies forcing the 99.99% of non-rapist trans women to use men' loos where they are about 1000 times more likely to be raped than any average woman.

I think you misread a statistic - you'll find that the average "trans woman" is over 1000 times more likely to rape than any average woman.

That's the justification.

Oh let’s have those stats please.

Trans sex workers in the US or South America don’t count in this context which is the uk.

Oh god have we not suffered enough with our resident insect visitor

yeah, i wondered how long this thread would be tolerated in the wild. turns out the answer is 1 hour and 49 minutes

welcome to the hive of scum and villainy that is FWR OP

lol you silly arse of course theyre not

btw I’m not a mummy so am I allowed to be obsessed by penis?

bringing back my own laugh emoji for this

🤣

I think the source for that statistic is the OP's bumhole.

I see we're back to threads being moved to the naughty corner

see, entertaining lunacy

I knew the OP wouldn't let me down

Men are 1000 times more likely to rape another man, than a woman?

source please.

I'm not really sure why I'm bothering with this claptrap but here we go.....

1. Yes, there are some predatory women but the cold, hard facts show that they're nowhere near as common as men. Also, women would stand a chance of fighting off another woman if they had to because they're on the same biological scale. Pound for pound, men are circa 20% stronger - and that doesn't take into account the fact they're typically bigger, more muscular, have longer arms, bigger hands etc, all of which means they have a huge physical advantage over women. If they want to hurt us, it's extremely hard to stop them.

2. Trans women are men, correct. I prefer to refer to them as trans identifying men. They aren't women.

3. We centre lots - but not all - of our anger at trans identifying men aka trans women because they're the ones trying to force themselves into our single sex spaces where we are vulnerable. There are other rapey men, plenty of them unfortunately, but they don't get free access to our changing rooms, hospital wards, toilets, domestic refuges. The men with a trans identity get access to all of those - and we have no idea whether they plan on hurting us.

4. Your lot say that self-ID is all that's needed so if a rapist wears a dress and says he's a woman, that means he's a woman according to gender ideology. Calling him a man in a dress is transphobic in the extreme, tut tut. You can't pick and choose when people are allowed to have a trans gender identity and when it's apparently not the real thing. See also point number 3 - how the living fuck are we supposed to know which are the nice type of trans identifying men and which are the fake trans identifying men who want to rape us? I'll give you a hint: we don't. Also, research done on trans identifying men in prison shows that at least half of them are either sexual offenders or violent Category A prisoners. And these are the people you seem to be suggesting should have access to women while they're at the most vulnerable?

5. I'll swap you your outdated 19th century story of black people being referred to as "not human" for the current model of women being described as "non-men". Example, John Hopkins University reference to lesbians as "non-men". We apparently don't exist in our own right, only in our proximity to the males of our species.

6. Not all of us are fond of penises. Even fewer "talk so fondly" about them. But please, don't let us stop you fantasising.

Woman is not something you can identity into and we deserve respect, safety, and a voice. Men - as a collective - have always tried to shut us down, deny us our rights, and refuse to give us equality - and thus it continues. Obviously NAMALT. Many are though.

Only women's language and women's rights are being affected by trans ideology. It just provides even more opportunities for us to be harmed - and this this happening.

I saw a badge today and it said "Same shit, different century" and I honestly can't sum it up better than that.

Well thank you for actually trying to have a conversation about this.

The majority of transwomen are not dangerous, are not a problem, and are not going to attack anyone.

The majority of men are not dangerous, are not a problem, and are not going to attack anyone.

A transwomen-inclusive womens space is for "all women and any male who wants to enter" - whatever rules apply for transwomen also apply to the men that have no dysphoria but who have spotted an opportunity. There is no legal means to differentiate between a male with a trans identy and a male without. And even if there was, it wouldn't be meaningful to so so. Single sex facilities do not exist because of differences in subjective gender identity but because of differences in tangible physical reality.

Of course evil people will still transgress boundaries wherever those boundaries are. It's ridiculous to suggest we should therefore have no boundaries. If we can firnly keep the definitions of where those boundaries are, it's instantly obvious that if a male person is there, they are not a good person. If we cannot define the boundary by biology, we have to assume that any male in there is probably fine and shouldn't be challenged, and then that is no different from a fully mixed-sex space and you might as well abolish all rights for women to have separate facilities (which would be extremely sexist)