Mumsnet Obsession With Penises

My sister's child is trans. Neither of them believes that mammals can change sex because neither of them is stupid - or a coward.

Ah thank you for this too!

Yes it was something about how in the 50s everyone was completely bamboozled by curry and now we uncultured types are similarly bamboozled by trans. And some other equally nonsense points.

I will now share my most recent food discovery...

Tum Yum noodles in a packet. Packet of stir fried veg. Put together and you have a very tasty and cheap dinner.

I think I'll look out my auntie S's meatball curry recipe. Curries are good in hot weather.

Has anyone noticed that if you use (as many of us try to, I think) a slightly different turn of phrase, within 24 hours one of the mono-obsessive visitors will use it right back? Often slightly misunderstood - see 'anecdotal'. It makes me wonder whether the actual posters are human, but relying excessively on AI assistance, hence the general wordy incoherence.

Awesome thank you! I will give this a try!

I'm not a bad cook, it's just that curry is not my thing, so this is great 😃

There's never any coherent arguments and it very quickly becomes "you're all transphobes".

Extremely nicely put, thank you!

@Manfreglory actually quite a lot of us have children, or nephews/nieces, or children of friends, who identify as trans having been lied to by believers in the notion that it is possible to change sex

If you have the imagination to picture an alternate universe in which a cult arose that encouraged anorexic youths to start demanding access to wegovy/mounjaro and bariatric or liposuction surgery, and you can imagine the level of resistance to that cult which mothers of those children would organise, then you would understand that we do not stop fighting for the wellbeing of our children even if our children are currently convinced of something that is willdly misinformed and damaging to them.

Particularly autistic youngsters are being hugely damaged by all this because it is the natural state for all autistic teenagers to be massively overwhelmed by a sense of not belonging, and not fitting in, which trans ideology exploits and magnifies rather than helping.

Reducing the power of trans advocates by ensuring they are not allowed to lie to our children and making sure that it is widely understood and legally enshrined that no one ever changes sex, but that of course no one is ever required or obliged to live within the confines of the sexist gender stereotypes associated with their sex, is very much a part of protecting our children. There is no problem with ensuring there is no discrimination against people who are living at the extremes of rejecting all the sexist gender stereotypes associated with their sex, that's not detrimental to our children, but clarity about the reality and truth of whatvis happening is vital.

OP was clearly unable to explain anything whatsoever. They had a preconceived bunch of vague ideas and were jolly well going to shout at some women about them.

I always try to bear in mind we have no idea who is posting. Could easily be an 11 year old. Although many people live with astonishing amounts of cognitive dissonance, mixed in with emotive reasoning that they barely are even aware of themselves.

I expect it's a fairly normal part of human nature that the internet has just made more visible, but possible it's also fuelled/amplified by the medium.

Anyway. It's put me in the mood for butter chicken tonight. Rick Stein's is pretty good.

I would bring up my male child so that he doesn't learn to invade women's spaces, amongst unconsenting women. Other stuff, I wouldn't care. Call it obsession, I call it principle.

I'm taking my employer to court because of their trans staff policy at work. Crowdfunding needed, pls search for Faye Russell-Caldicott at crowdjustice.com

There are so many mums of trans identifying children on here I have lost count. I am one. And I guarantee that that is the very reason they are on here and not still lost “being kind” and singing “lalala” and not thinking through the very real and often horrific implications of what a trans identity means to a child or to the women whose rights are trampled daily by trans ideology.

So please, take your sanctimonious assumptions and fuck right off. And when you’ve done that fuck off some more.

I think most of us here do understand and sympathize with genuine gender dysphoria but we fundamentaly do not want biological men in our female only spaces and categories.

It would help if you could explain in what way a biological man becomes a woman and to what extent you think he should be treated as a woman in law?

This thread was a bit amusing to start with but a number of women and men on FWR have trans children theyve loved and cared for minimising their own views to do so while others have become estranged becatse nothing but 100% validation and agreement was enough.

please ensure you stick to your promise of being done and don’t come back

Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Was I right? Are you 20 and sent home for the summer to wind up the wicked terfs? Many of whom do know and like some trans people - but who also believe in biological reality and safeguarding.

By knowing that sex is immutable, you can't transition to the opposite sex despite thought or feeling, that gender stereotypes are harmful, and knowing that you can't have the wrong brain in the wrong body because your brain is part of your body?

I see. Why the fuck did you start a discussion about it then?

You can take the edge off the spiciness with coconut milk or yoghurt, so if whatever curry you make comes up too hot for your tastes, just add some plain yoghurt when you serve it.

I missed the 'curry in the 50s' post. Was it a corker of wild generalisations?

We're in agreement that helping someone with gender dysphoria is hard and that is a real condition. That is totally different from the TRA agenda to get everyone to accept that sex can be changed and is irrelevant in all circumstances. Most posters on here I think would feel absolutely that a child with GD should be helped to accept the body they're in, rather than being helped to irreparably damage it in the name of affirmation.

And those of us who were doing this long before JKR got involved. Did she radicalise us retrospectively?

Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person. Or are able, even, to comprehend what that entails.

Not true. However in my case the family member in question eventually detransitioned. She's been left with significant health problems from her time taking T though.

Funny, you TRA types never want to talk about kids like her.

Hold on.. I thought she’d radicalised us. And funded us? I’m confused. Am I supposed to be radicalised or radicalising?? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person. Or are able, even, to comprehend what that entails.

Incorrect. There are various posters on this forum with trans identifying children, siblings or spouses. They know far more about this than you ever well.

Knowing and loving trans people does not change material reality. Our concept of what it means to be a woman is not so fragile that having someone we love identify as trans is enough to make us want to redefine everything.

If my son identified as a trans woman I would worry deeply about him, grieve our mother-son relationship, and want to do everything in my power to help him be happy in his own skin. Even if that meant transitioning. But I would not support him using women's single sex spaces. Because I also have a daughter. And a mother. And aunts, and nieces, and female friends. All of whom deserve to have their safety and dignity respected. As do I.

OP, to answer your question, a DC deciding they are trans, does not change biological fact. A trans woman is not a woman, a trans man is not a man.

More likely they are teens going through puberty and find change hard to process. Possibly as they are gay, very often that they are autistic, sometimes that they’ve jumped on something their peers have jumped on.

Id take my DC to the doctor and for therapy to get to the bottom of it. The last thing I’d do is validate the delusion. And what they absolutely cannot do, is use spaces of the opposite sex while they work it out. Whether they are my child, or not.

There is another falsehood right there.

“Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person. Or are able, even, to comprehend what that entails.”

There has been a steep increase of threads started with ambiguous original posts which then get twisted by the OP such as this. Twisted in a way to present a group as being bigoted.

What I learned from this thread is that the OP has expressed transphobic and misogynistic views on this very thread. And wraps it up with this latest falsehood.

The gate keeping of who is and isn’t trans seems to be featuring in some, too many actually, posts from those who seem to be self-appointed spokespeople for transgender people. Those posters who come and give their own definition of what gender is and who is transgender that is disconnected to what society has been told directly by trangender people. By that I refer to ‘trans people are who they say they are’ and that people are transgender if they say so.

But the post quoted sums up that this poster has no real depth of understanding the issues they discuss. So they have no depth of knowledge, but obviously feel they do, and gatekeep who is and isn’t transgender which is transphobic, admits to making up false statistics which ended up diminishing the reality for women and girls which is misogynistic, yet feel they have some moral upper hand.

This thread has been almost a replica, in this way, to the other latest threads. And ends up showing the OP to be reverse of the type of person that they seem to think they are.

Mumsnet users were asked to share a controversial opinion.

And now I've got the buzzer sound from Family Fortunes in my head!

I was a bit 'eh?' by this as well -

Mumsnet users were asked to share a controversial opinion.

because we weren't. The OP made a controversial opinion and then seemed aggrieved when we wouldn't agree with it.

But I've just worked it out. There seems to have been a thread on the chat board yesterday or the day before titled 'what's the most controversial opinion you hold'. I missed it. The OP of this thread seems to have missed the boat in posting there (thread full) and, not fully satisfied in reporting any post which they disliked (see recent thread on this board about deletions on that thread, which is how I made the connection), started this thread without mentioning any reference to the other thread, beyond the words 'controversial opinion'.

I'm not sure the OP gets how this forum as a whole works.