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Transgender campaigners call for European rights body to report on UK

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BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 08:28

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/28/transgender-campaigners-council-of-europe-report-on-uk

edit: The Council of Europe has previously been very critical of how the UK deals with its trans citizens, it will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.

Transgender campaigners call for European rights body to report on UK

Alliance of groups wants Council of Europe to investigate implementation of supreme court ruling on biological sex

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/28/transgender-campaigners-council-of-europe-report-on-uk

OP posts:
Annoyedone · 29/06/2025 09:15

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 08:45

Feel free to tell me to piss off and I will go - you asked me to be here and I responded ffs.

If you can't deal with a single trans person responding what does that say about your 'movement'?

so if I tell you to piss off you’ll go? Pinky promise?

DialSquare · 29/06/2025 09:13

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 09:07

If you want serious discussion with a single trans person in this GC space why are you trolling her?

What’s to discuss? The highest court in the land has confirmed that transwomen are male and therefore should not be using female single sex spaces. No matter how much you stamp your feet.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/06/2025 09:11

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 09:07

If you want serious discussion with a single trans person in this GC space why are you trolling her?

You are so far from for the first man with apparently special lady feelings to come here, spam the board with endless threads, complain about non specific “rights” you’ve lost and tell us we’re all horrid old bigots (polite paraphrase)

we’ve been through this multiple times and we know how it goes plus we’re not your mum, we don’t owe you our time or engagement

potpourree · 29/06/2025 09:10

the supreme court’s reasoning was very clear and coherent. Perhaps use the time you spend making weak arguments on MN, on reading it instead?

I really agree with this. OP seems pretty muddled about the ruling. We've had other posters opposing it who have been able to articulate the points in law they feel could be challenged, and it led to a decent legal debate.

That's not possible with @BeeSouriante because they don't really understand what they mean so just copy and paste, over and over, and get chat gpt to generate phrases for them; they're avoidant about their views and have said untrue things.

This isn't going to help any sort of engaging discussion. Do you agree, @BeeSouriante ?

TeenToTwenties · 29/06/2025 09:10

TeenToTwenties · 29/06/2025 08:55

@BeeSouriante
What rights do Trans people not have in the UK that other people have?

They have the right to marry, not be discriminated against in work, housing etc.
They have the right to use toilets according to their sex and access services according to their sex.
They have the right to access NHS healthcare for 'non elective' things such as broken legs, cancer etc.
They have the right to wear what they want and to change their name.

So what 'rights' are we talking about?

@BeeSouriante This question, please. I would like to know the answer.

Datun · 29/06/2025 09:09

DialSquare · 29/06/2025 09:08

I’m reminded of the Knights of Ni.

And Stan. Who wanted the right to be a woman, even though he knew he couldn't be one

acornsandtrees · 29/06/2025 09:09

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 09:07

If you want serious discussion with a single trans person in this GC space why are you trolling her?

You incapacity to debate is not women 'trolling'.

TeenToTwenties · 29/06/2025 09:08

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 09:07

If you want serious discussion with a single trans person in this GC space why are you trolling her?

@BeeSouriante I'd like a serious discussion. Please answer my question upthread where I state the rights trans people have and ask what rights they don't have that others do have. please answer my question.

Datun · 29/06/2025 09:08

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 09:07

If you want serious discussion with a single trans person in this GC space why are you trolling her?

See?

DialSquare · 29/06/2025 09:08

I’m reminded of the Knights of Ni.

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 09:07

If you want serious discussion with a single trans person in this GC space why are you trolling her?

OP posts:
acornsandtrees · 29/06/2025 09:06

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 08:41

Thank the gods for AI:

Transgender campaigners in the UK are urging the Council of Europe to investigate a recent Supreme Court ruling that defines "woman" and "sex" based on biological sex. This ruling, they argue, violates the European Convention on Human Rights by restricting transgender individuals from using facilities aligned with their gender identity. The Equality and Human Rights Commission's guidance following the ruling has further marginalized transgender rights. Campaigners warn that without intervention, conditions for transgender people in the UK could deteriorate, prompting their call for a report on the state of trans rights.

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I don't read AI summaries, AI is stealing women's past work and future jobs.

Datun · 29/06/2025 09:06

It looks like B isn't reading any of their own links, or making any of their own arguments. But outsourcing it all.

Which would account for the lack of comprehension, inconsistency, and numerous contradictions.

Describing the content of links which is often the opposite to what they actually contain and claiming women have said things, that they clearly haven't.

Complete waste of time

ErrolTheDragon · 29/06/2025 09:06

Maybe women should urge the council of Europe to ‘investigate’ the SC ruling too? If its members are currently confused as to what the word ‘woman’ means it provides exemplary clarity.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 29/06/2025 09:03

One question for you Bee, what about the rights of females to have spaces free from any males?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 29/06/2025 09:01

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 08:41

Thank the gods for AI:

Transgender campaigners in the UK are urging the Council of Europe to investigate a recent Supreme Court ruling that defines "woman" and "sex" based on biological sex. This ruling, they argue, violates the European Convention on Human Rights by restricting transgender individuals from using facilities aligned with their gender identity. The Equality and Human Rights Commission's guidance following the ruling has further marginalized transgender rights. Campaigners warn that without intervention, conditions for transgender people in the UK could deteriorate, prompting their call for a report on the state of trans rights.

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My AI's response to your AI -

The United Kingdom is a sovereign state with an independent legal system, and the UK Supreme Court stands as the highest judicial authority in the land. Its decisions on the interpretation and application of UK law are final. While the Council of Europe and the European Court of Human Rights can offer guidance and critique under the European Convention on Human Rights, they do not possess the authority to override Supreme Court judgments.
Calls for the Council to investigate recent rulings—particularly around the legal definitions of "woman" and "sex"—underscore ongoing tensions around rights and identity. However, it remains a fundamental constitutional principle that UK law is determined by UK institutions. Engagement with international bodies should be framed as dialogue, not subordination. Upholding sovereignty also means ensuring that legal changes, if any, arise through proper democratic channels—not external pressure.

My AI has highlighted the pertinent parts for you, if you think this manoeuvre by the Anti-Women Brigade is going to make a difference, you are sorely mistaken.

Hoardasurass · 29/06/2025 09:01

TeenToTwenties · 29/06/2025 08:55

@BeeSouriante
What rights do Trans people not have in the UK that other people have?

They have the right to marry, not be discriminated against in work, housing etc.
They have the right to use toilets according to their sex and access services according to their sex.
They have the right to access NHS healthcare for 'non elective' things such as broken legs, cancer etc.
They have the right to wear what they want and to change their name.

So what 'rights' are we talking about?

The right to subjugate women, remove our rights and use us as unconsenting props in their fantasy's

TheKeatingFive · 29/06/2025 08:58

What 'rights' are we talking about her Bee?

Why would having access to sex-specific spaces that don't belong to you be a right?

HermioneWeasley · 29/06/2025 08:56

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 08:41

Thank the gods for AI:

Transgender campaigners in the UK are urging the Council of Europe to investigate a recent Supreme Court ruling that defines "woman" and "sex" based on biological sex. This ruling, they argue, violates the European Convention on Human Rights by restricting transgender individuals from using facilities aligned with their gender identity. The Equality and Human Rights Commission's guidance following the ruling has further marginalized transgender rights. Campaigners warn that without intervention, conditions for transgender people in the UK could deteriorate, prompting their call for a report on the state of trans rights.

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The point is Bee, that other people have rights

it isn’t a human right to use opposite sex facilities or force people to go along with your self perception

the supreme court’s reasoning was very clear and coherent. Perhaps use the time you spend making weak arguments on MN, on reading it instead?

TeenToTwenties · 29/06/2025 08:55

@BeeSouriante
What rights do Trans people not have in the UK that other people have?

They have the right to marry, not be discriminated against in work, housing etc.
They have the right to use toilets according to their sex and access services according to their sex.
They have the right to access NHS healthcare for 'non elective' things such as broken legs, cancer etc.
They have the right to wear what they want and to change their name.

So what 'rights' are we talking about?

Helleofabore · 29/06/2025 08:55

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 08:45

Feel free to tell me to piss off and I will go - you asked me to be here and I responded ffs.

If you can't deal with a single trans person responding what does that say about your 'movement'?

Who 'asked you to be here'?

And no, telling people to 'piss off' is against the Talk Guidelines. No one can do this without potentially it leading to being banned. If you didn't know this, why are you posting on a site without understanding the guidelines for posting here. If you did know this, why would you try to get people to act in a way that is detrimental to their access to MN?

SionnachRuadh · 29/06/2025 08:52

TLDR: we are sad because we might be restricted from waving our willies around in single-sex female spaces, so we're asking politicians from, I don't know, Azerbaijan or somewhere, to pass a resolution condemning the UK Supreme Court.

Seems like a lot of effort when the gents is right over there.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 29/06/2025 08:52

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 08:45

Feel free to tell me to piss off and I will go - you asked me to be here and I responded ffs.

If you can't deal with a single trans person responding what does that say about your 'movement'?

What “movement”?

Please tell me what “trans rights” are.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/06/2025 08:51

BeeSouriante · 29/06/2025 08:45

Feel free to tell me to piss off and I will go - you asked me to be here and I responded ffs.

If you can't deal with a single trans person responding what does that say about your 'movement'?

we don’t have a movement mate however much you would like us too, we just have a grasp of reality

and given how TW are all up in women’s spaces even though we asked nicely for you to stop, asked firmly for you to stop and then in the end had to go to court, I doubt telling you to piss off would have any impact at all

Datun · 29/06/2025 08:49

Transgender campaigners in the UK are urging the Council of Europe to investigate a recent Supreme Court ruling that defines "woman" and "sex" based on biological sex.

Good Lord, so what?

All your threads are about obscure transactivists demanding people act, left right and centre, because s'not fair.

Just use the bloody gents.

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