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Wow. Have you seen all the Pride and Trans flags flying in the audiences at Glastonbury?

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DiamondThrone · 28/06/2025 00:01

No. Neither have I.

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RayonSunrise · 29/06/2025 16:27

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:34

Yes I would expect a lockable toilet cubical, a lockable changing room cubical, privacy when naked under any situation other than a nudist beach. And for me those apply around other women too. If I'm in hospital in a mixed sex ward it wouldnt be ideal but my ideal would be my own private room which is unlikely on NHS. We have mixed sex changing at our local pool and I've never heard anyone where I live talk about it negatively or wanting to start a campaign against it.

In my local leisure centre there are fairly regular problems with men taking photos of children getting changed/in the showers, and of men trying to film or spy on women and children in the cubicles.

This likely happens at yours too, but you are so busy patting yourself on the back for being The Best Person you’ve not noticed the regular warnings going out to to use your phone in the changing room or telling parents to watch out for “people” (and thanks for that obscuring language you’ve foisted on us) lurking around the showers.

So thanks for your tolerance of that while preening over how “kind” you are. We all see you.

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 16:25

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 16:04

Transwomen are male, though, every single one of them - by definition.

I'm not generally scared of men, either.....but I don't want to get changed around strange men, nor do I want to find them in female only facilities, and i don't want for my daughter or grandaughter to have to be compromised in that way, either.

Good, decent men stay out of women's private spaces; it is the ones who keep pushing and insisting in spite of being told " No"...that are the problem.

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Yes I wouldnt want to get changed around men either. Particularly strange ones as you call them. But I'm like that with non trans women so I use lockable cubicles.

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 16:19

murasaki · 29/06/2025 16:12

They can set up their own specific crisis centres. Like women had to.

Well currently there are centres that help both men and women under the one roof. Anyone in there needs help. Dont know why the transgender issue would change that.

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 16:16

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 16:07

Now imagine a corridor of such cubicles in the night time economy.....and a young woman goes in there and finds she's alone.....and then a couple of men enter. You do know that such spaces are where women can be very vulnerable.

Unisex facilities need to be single rooms ( not just cubicles) with integral basins - not a communal facility with a shared acess area. I want to be able to send my granddaughter into the toilets when out in public, without having to be concerned about who might be in there with her.

Surely you understand this?

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Yes if you think that all transgender women are rapists or paedohphiles then I can imagine you would be scared for her. And yes a row of toilets at night time when your alone with two men entering could potentially be alarming depending on the men. But we do have separate male and female toilets and I can't see that changing. If two men want to walk into female toilets at night time there is nothing stopping them.

murasaki · 29/06/2025 16:12

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:15

So can transgender people not be raped? Why should they not be allowed access to crisis centres? Where do non transgender men currently go if they need support after rape?

They can set up their own specific crisis centres. Like women had to.

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 16:07

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:38

Of course it is hence lockable doors on toilets etc.

Now imagine a corridor of such cubicles in the night time economy.....and a young woman goes in there and finds she's alone.....and then a couple of men enter. You do know that such spaces are where women can be very vulnerable.

Unisex facilities need to be single rooms ( not just cubicles) with integral basins - not a communal facility with a shared acess area. I want to be able to send my granddaughter into the toilets when out in public, without having to be concerned about who might be in there with her.

Surely you understand this?

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 16:04

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:40

I mean that in the same way I say I'm not scared of men. I'll be scared in certain situations but I'm not scared of a gender of people.

Transwomen are male, though, every single one of them - by definition.

I'm not generally scared of men, either.....but I don't want to get changed around strange men, nor do I want to find them in female only facilities, and i don't want for my daughter or grandaughter to have to be compromised in that way, either.

Good, decent men stay out of women's private spaces; it is the ones who keep pushing and insisting in spite of being told " No"...that are the problem.

EsmaCannonball · 29/06/2025 15:57

Thinking about it, I'd much rather be led by a donkey than led by a lion. If you were led by a lion you'd be standing around for 23 hours and 45 minutes of the day while she had a good sleep, followed by a rather hairy and gory 15 minutes of holding on for dear life as she chased down a zebra (or, in a UK context, possibly your neighbour's Labrador). Donkeys are quite steady and patient and probably pretty decent at following trails and things. They'd also give you a lift when you got knackered.

I don't think they've thought the name through.

CassOle · 29/06/2025 15:42

Talkinpeace · 29/06/2025 12:02

STOP feeding the AI bot

This was meant to be a thread about flags at Glastonbury
and it has derailed you all completely

While Eagle could be an AI bot, on reading their more recent posts, I can't help but wonder if we are being treated to a display of be kind I'm all right Jack (and therefore, I am going to dismiss everything you say as irrelevant).

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:40

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 15:31

Also how can you make such generalised statements such as " I'm not scared of transwomen"

Have you met every trans-identified male?

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I mean that in the same way I say I'm not scared of men. I'll be scared in certain situations but I'm not scared of a gender of people.

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:39

TheKeatingFive · 29/06/2025 15:26

But what do you mean when you say you don't have sn issue?

You think people should be supported to express their personality or gender how they like? Cool, the vast majority on here would agree.

Or you think that men's 'gender identity' should trump their sex, allowing them to identify their way into women's sports, prisons, domestic violence shelters, board positions, etc.

Becayse really problematic for women, which should be self evident to you. That's not about scaremongering, it is affecting women now and has been for some time. That's what the TRA flags are supporting.

All that has been covered since I started posting I'm not going to repeat it all

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:38

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 15:28

It is common sense to have privacy for women and girls in situations of undress or physical vulnerability. In private spaces you can control who enters, but in public spaces you cannot. We have rules for entry in many such spaces - and they are usually predicated on common sense.

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Of course it is hence lockable doors on toilets etc.

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:34

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 15:25

Well actually, in some cities women only transport has been trialled; certainly in the night time economy......and where I live there is a dedicated taxi service for gay men to get home safely.

You cannot possibly vet every single person you meet. We have rules and regulations about access and entry for all sorts of reasons, in many sorts of venues. This is basic safeguarding.

Having female only spaces is not to suggest that all men are predators, but that some are...and that female people have a right to privacy and dignity in certain types of situation in which the female body and/or biological function is central.

Yes I would expect a lockable toilet cubical, a lockable changing room cubical, privacy when naked under any situation other than a nudist beach. And for me those apply around other women too. If I'm in hospital in a mixed sex ward it wouldnt be ideal but my ideal would be my own private room which is unlikely on NHS. We have mixed sex changing at our local pool and I've never heard anyone where I live talk about it negatively or wanting to start a campaign against it.

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 15:31

Also how can you make such generalised statements such as " I'm not scared of transwomen"

Have you met every trans-identified male?

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 15:28

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:20

It's all about common sense and judgement on each individual point not always trying to find the worst case scenario. You could say what's next- same sex buses? For women's safety only women are allowed on certain buses and men on another?

It is common sense to have privacy for women and girls in situations of undress or physical vulnerability. In private spaces you can control who enters, but in public spaces you cannot. We have rules for entry in many such spaces - and they are usually predicated on common sense.

TheKeatingFive · 29/06/2025 15:26

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:11

I'm not supporting anything. I just dont have an issue with transgender. I dont fall for scaremongering.

But what do you mean when you say you don't have sn issue?

You think people should be supported to express their personality or gender how they like? Cool, the vast majority on here would agree.

Or you think that men's 'gender identity' should trump their sex, allowing them to identify their way into women's sports, prisons, domestic violence shelters, board positions, etc.

Becayse really problematic for women, which should be self evident to you. That's not about scaremongering, it is affecting women now and has been for some time. That's what the TRA flags are supporting.

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 15:26

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:22

Check out some of the posters on here!

Well some women with histories of abuse may well feel scared of men in situations in which they are alone with them or where men are not expected to be. But for many of us it is more about the privacy and dignity of sex.

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 15:25

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:20

It's all about common sense and judgement on each individual point not always trying to find the worst case scenario. You could say what's next- same sex buses? For women's safety only women are allowed on certain buses and men on another?

Well actually, in some cities women only transport has been trialled; certainly in the night time economy......and where I live there is a dedicated taxi service for gay men to get home safely.

You cannot possibly vet every single person you meet. We have rules and regulations about access and entry for all sorts of reasons, in many sorts of venues. This is basic safeguarding.

Having female only spaces is not to suggest that all men are predators, but that some are...and that female people have a right to privacy and dignity in certain types of situation in which the female body and/or biological function is central.

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:22

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 15:20

It is not about being "scared".

Check out some of the posters on here!

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 15:20

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 14:14

Didnt they just decide the legal definition of a woman. I'm not scared of transwomen.

It is not about being "scared".

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:20

TheKeatingFive · 29/06/2025 13:36

So your answer to the fact that you'll never stop crime against women is to ... make it easier for men to commit crimes against women.

I mean, seriously?

You see how appalling that looks, right?

It's all about common sense and judgement on each individual point not always trying to find the worst case scenario. You could say what's next- same sex buses? For women's safety only women are allowed on certain buses and men on another?

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:15

TheKeatingFive · 29/06/2025 14:17

People are concerned about women's need for single sex spaces in ...

Prisons, domestic violence shelters, rape crisis counselling, changing rooms, sports.

They are also concerned about sick and disabled women's need for single sex intimate care, should they desire it. Orthodox religious women's need for single sex accommodation in public life, like toilets and sports classes.

You don't seem to care about these things. Why?

So can transgender people not be raped? Why should they not be allowed access to crisis centres? Where do non transgender men currently go if they need support after rape?

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:11

TheKeatingFive · 29/06/2025 14:19

They did. The people waving the flags are protesting what has been clarified in law.

I mean, really. Basic stuff here. Do you have the slightest clue what you're supporting?

I'm not supporting anything. I just dont have an issue with transgender. I dont fall for scaremongering.

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 15:10

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/06/2025 14:15

You’re not scared of men? Even though they commit the vast majority of violent snd sexual crime? How nice your very privileged bubble must be

How do you function out there in the real world? Do you run away every time a man is walking towards you on the pavement?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 29/06/2025 14:22

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/06/2025 10:59

Csnt decide whether it’s a pigeon chess or grey rock situation here

I take my pig wresting back. Toddler wrangling.