Wow. Have you seen all the Pride and Trans flags flying in the audiences at Glastonbury?

I agree I wouldnt want men and womens toilets to be mixed. Not least because I think men's toilets are yucky. But what I dont actually have a problem with is a transwoman using the female toilets. I still appreciate he is biologically male though.

Trans is nothing but a framing device for someone who wants, for whatever reason, to present as the opposite sex. People with trans identities are not a different kind of human being from everyone else...and they remain either male or female like everyone else. What the hell has identity got to do with anything?

Nobody is suggesting that are all trans identifying men are rapists; but some may well be...and that is the basis on which we have single sex facilities for women and girls. To provide a level of safeguarding. And also, as already stated on numerous occasions, to preserve the dignity and privacy of sex ( by generally common consent).

There is nothing but the social contract to prevent anybody from doing anything. We rely on people having respect for common rules and regulations and the generally agreed consensus in order to operate and function in a civil society.
But just because some people care nothing about consensus or consent - it doesn't mean we should not arrange society in a way which suggests that they might.

Trans doesnt bother me. I have no issue with someone being trans. That hasnt changed. Trans ideology is not something I'd thought of in terms of why it would bother people if other people support trans? But not having an issue with trans people hasn't changed, in response to some of the comments I was replying to. I've looked at feminist threads before and I was aware most would not agree with my thoughts!

Either. The sex of a person is not the thing that determines to me how safe I feel around them.

Yes if you think that all transgender women are rapists or paedohphiles then I can imagine you would be scared for her. And yes a row of toilets at night time when your alone with two men entering could potentially be alarming depending on the men. But we do have separate male and female toilets and I can't see that changing. If two men want to walk into female toilets at night time there is nothing stopping them.

Simply a man being in a room, or simply a man being in a female only single sex space?

I didn’t mention sex. We were discussing whether someone seemed “risky” due to perceived mental problems that you deemed a potential problem.

Eagle2025 · Yesterday 17:48
In what way does trans ideology affect you? Just curious as I've never thought about it

Eagle2025 · Today 16:52
My opinions and views havent changed. I know that on this thread the majority would think differently to me. I've often looked at threads under this topic and know it's the most extreme corner of mumsnet thinking.

Which is it, Eagle? You know, you might risk giving the impression that you are not posting entirely in good faith.

Ffs honestly. Can you really not grasp what I'm saying about for me sex doesnt come into determining how safe I feel around a person. Can you at least take that on board.

Well where do I start? Running around the room panicked and talking to themselves, laughing loudly and uncontrollably to themselves. I'm sure you can appreciate what I mean! That would make me far more uneasy than simply a man being in the room.

Ffs honestly. Can you really not grasp what I'm saying about for me sex doesnt come into determining how safe I feel around a person. Can you at least take that on board.

How much moving about would a person have to do before you become uneasy? The gynae example was moving about a lot and trying to interact with lots of patients. That could be ok but if you’re immobile from a spinal block maybe less so?

I've no idea! Ask the experts

I did. That’s how I know you’re lesbophobic, homophobic and misogynistic. It shines through every post.

Well where do I start? Running around the room panicked and talking to themselves, laughing loudly and uncontrollably to themselves. I'm sure you can appreciate what I mean! That would make me far more uneasy than simply a man being in the room.

There is an NHS policy which talks about one of their regular patients “a pre operative disinhibited transsexual male” who is accommodated on the female ward “when well” but is a risk to women “when having an episode”. How should the Trust deal with that?

Look if I dont have my own room then I'm aware I'm going to be sick and vunerable around strangers. Which isnt great. But if I'm with a mix of people which includes a normal sane decent man and also includes someone who clearly needs mental health intervention (male or female) its definitely going to be the person requiring moving to a mental facility that will make me feel the most unsafe. Honestly I'm not lying on that. If one person is sane and decent and the other is completely unhinged then sex doesn't come into it for me.

You obviously haven't read my posts.

What does a person “who clearly needed to be in a secure hospital” look like?

Surely that depends on context?

How about waking up after a general anaesthetic?

Or after a gynae op immobilised with a spinal block with only dressings (no underwear).

And there’s a Trans identifying male in the bed opposite (who during conversation on the ward revealed they had not had their penis removed)?

You’ve said you’re not scared of that sort of situation. How about your feelings of privacy or dignity? Or are you generally free and easy with your body around others?

Ok. Personally I have no issue with sharing a ward with a transgender person. The only time I wouldnt be happy is sharing with someone who clearly needed to be in a secure hospital instead. That would make me feel unsafe

Ok. Personally I have no issue with sharing a ward with a transgender person. The only time I wouldnt be happy is sharing with someone who clearly needed to be in a secure hospital instead. That would make me feel unsafe