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Wow. Have you seen all the Pride and Trans flags flying in the audiences at Glastonbury?

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DiamondThrone · 28/06/2025 00:01

No. Neither have I.

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Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:55

nutmeg7 · 29/06/2025 19:51

However, the point is that public policy has to be made for all, based on a realistic assessment of the risk that men pose to women.

So while you are happy to take that risk personally, and don’t perceive men to be more dangerous to you than women, the law etc has to be based on real crime statistics, where it’s clear than men present an overwhelmingly higher risk to women than women do to other women. Trans women retain the same offending patterns as men, including things like voyeurism, and for that reason any risk assessment should be made on that basis.

This doesn’t even take into account those women who have experienced male violence and would find the presence of a male person in the next bed very traumatising.

Rules have to take everyone into account.

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I didnt say I deemed men safer than women. I said that's not the main factor to me when deciding how safe someone is to me.

Like you say it will be based on statistics so it's up to the people with access to all the correct information to make up the laws.

nutmeg7 · 29/06/2025 19:51

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:42

Thank you. I'm happy with my method of risk assessment.

However, the point is that public policy has to be made for all, based on a realistic assessment of the risk that men pose to women.

So while you are happy to take that risk personally, and don’t perceive men to be more dangerous to you than women, the law etc has to be based on real crime statistics, where it’s clear than men present an overwhelmingly higher risk to women than women do to other women. Trans women retain the same offending patterns as men, including things like voyeurism, and for that reason any risk assessment should be made on that basis.

This doesn’t even take into account those women who have experienced male violence and would find the presence of a male person in the next bed very traumatising.

Rules have to take everyone into account.

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:51

BettyBooper · 29/06/2025 19:45

Well we agree. 👍

So if your (same) friend was in prison. Would you not expect her to be assured that she wouldn't be sharing a cell with a man?

Firstly it would depend what she was in prison for. Secondly I would hope that she wouldn't be sharing with a man. I dont have any idea how the system works but if she found herself with a man I would try and help her or the man get moved to a different cell, if possible.

BettyBooper · 29/06/2025 19:45

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:39

No I would hope if she wished a female doctor she would get one. Very simple.

Well we agree. 👍

So if your (same) friend was in prison. Would you not expect her to be assured that she wouldn't be sharing a cell with a man?

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:43

Talkinpeace · 29/06/2025 19:40

Leave the AI / Pigeon / Troll alone

it is not discussing in any faith let alone good faith.

Does anybody have any recent pictures of the Block 9 "artwork" ?

Yes thank you 😊

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:42

nutmeg7 · 29/06/2025 19:35

Physical power imbalance and greater tendency of males to use their power on women is reality borne out by crime stats, it’s not my thoughts.

Happy to accept this doesn’t bother you when interacting with strangers when you are in a vulnerable state, but I don’t agree that your risk assessment is correct.

Thank you. I'm happy with my method of risk assessment.

usedtobeaylis · 29/06/2025 19:41

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:07

Why cant you believe me? Think about any nice man you know. Picture him in your head. Now think of a female person you wouldnt trust (I'm being careful how I word this so as not to offend). Now imagine waking up beside both of them in hospital. Are you honestly saying that simply because the woman was female you would feel safer beside her?

In terms of physical safety and my own vulnerability waking up in a hospital, yes. It's a no brainer.

Talkinpeace · 29/06/2025 19:40

Leave the AI / Pigeon / Troll alone

it is not discussing in any faith let alone good faith.

Does anybody have any recent pictures of the Block 9 "artwork" ?

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:39

BettyBooper · 29/06/2025 19:34

Because I wonder if you would forgo any safeguarding systems at all for them.

If your female friend had been abused by a man and wanted a female doctor to do a medical exam, would you defend that Dr Upton (for example) did it? Where is your line? For your female friends?

No I would hope if she wished a female doctor she would get one. Very simple.

nutmeg7 · 29/06/2025 19:35

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:31

But that's your thoughts on the matter. Not mine. Someone thinks I'm lying because I dont view people/situations the exact same way as her.

Physical power imbalance and greater tendency of males to use their power on women is reality borne out by crime stats, it’s not my thoughts.

Happy to accept this doesn’t bother you when interacting with strangers when you are in a vulnerable state, but I don’t agree that your risk assessment is correct.

BettyBooper · 29/06/2025 19:34

Because I wonder if you would forgo any safeguarding systems at all for them.

If your female friend had been abused by a man and wanted a female doctor to do a medical exam, would you defend that Dr Upton (for example) did it? Where is your line? For your female friends?

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:31

nutmeg7 · 29/06/2025 19:28

Because of the strength power and size imbalance, there is a difference when waking up with strangers on a hospital ward.

Any man who chooses to do so could overpower me, and I would not be able to prevent this, I just rely on him not choosing to do so. Another woman might not be able to hurt me, I might be stronger than her. Women are less likely to use violence for this reason.

But that's your thoughts on the matter. Not mine. Someone thinks I'm lying because I dont view people/situations the exact same way as her.

nutmeg7 · 29/06/2025 19:28

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:07

Why cant you believe me? Think about any nice man you know. Picture him in your head. Now think of a female person you wouldnt trust (I'm being careful how I word this so as not to offend). Now imagine waking up beside both of them in hospital. Are you honestly saying that simply because the woman was female you would feel safer beside her?

Because of the strength power and size imbalance, there is a difference when waking up with strangers on a hospital ward.

Any man who chooses to do so could overpower me, and I would not be able to prevent this, I just rely on him not choosing to do so. Another woman might not be able to hurt me, I might be stronger than her. Women are less likely to use violence for this reason.

WithSilverBells · 29/06/2025 19:25

One Progress Pride window sticker in town, two low-key window stickers in the city (one being M&S ofc 🙄). Absolutely nothing in Tesco, whereas you couldn't move for Pride stuff in there a couple of years ago. No actual flags anywhere

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:24

nutmeg7 · 29/06/2025 19:21

Eeesh, not sure where your caricatures of mental illness come from

Ffs. It's like trying to sum up a situation then someone wants a detailed explanation.

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:22

BettyBooper · 29/06/2025 19:09

Do you have any female friends?

Yes, why?

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:21

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 19:10

The point about public spaces is that they are full of people you don't know, and whose movements you have no say in. We've all got lovely husbands, fathers, brothers and sons, and male friends who we love...but most of us still want the privacy of single sex spaces in public situations.

Yes women can be horrible too......but the level of instinctive safeguarding is just not there in the same way as with a male person...and I think you know that too.

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I was talking about my feelings and the poster was trying to suggest I was lying.

nutmeg7 · 29/06/2025 19:21

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 18:02

Well where do I start? Running around the room panicked and talking to themselves, laughing loudly and uncontrollably to themselves. I'm sure you can appreciate what I mean! That would make me far more uneasy than simply a man being in the room.

Eeesh, not sure where your caricatures of mental illness come from

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:19

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 19:07

You are, of course, free to use unisex facilities if you prefer them.

What did I just say!

WithSilverBells · 29/06/2025 19:19

EsmaCannonball · 29/06/2025 15:57

Thinking about it, I'd much rather be led by a donkey than led by a lion. If you were led by a lion you'd be standing around for 23 hours and 45 minutes of the day while she had a good sleep, followed by a rather hairy and gory 15 minutes of holding on for dear life as she chased down a zebra (or, in a UK context, possibly your neighbour's Labrador). Donkeys are quite steady and patient and probably pretty decent at following trails and things. They'd also give you a lift when you got knackered.

I don't think they've thought the name through.

This is a great post😍

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 19:10

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:07

Why cant you believe me? Think about any nice man you know. Picture him in your head. Now think of a female person you wouldnt trust (I'm being careful how I word this so as not to offend). Now imagine waking up beside both of them in hospital. Are you honestly saying that simply because the woman was female you would feel safer beside her?

The point about public spaces is that they are full of people you don't know, and whose movements you have no say in. We've all got lovely husbands, fathers, brothers and sons, and male friends who we love...but most of us still want the privacy of single sex spaces in public situations.

Yes women can be horrible too......but the level of instinctive safeguarding is just not there in the same way as with a male person...and I think you know that too.

BettyBooper · 29/06/2025 19:09

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:07

Why cant you believe me? Think about any nice man you know. Picture him in your head. Now think of a female person you wouldnt trust (I'm being careful how I word this so as not to offend). Now imagine waking up beside both of them in hospital. Are you honestly saying that simply because the woman was female you would feel safer beside her?

Do you have any female friends?

Talkinpeace · 29/06/2025 19:09

Noodledog · 29/06/2025 17:13

That's interesting, what were the stickers?

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Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 19:07

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 18:59

I agree I wouldnt want men and womens toilets to be mixed. Not least because I think men's toilets are yucky. But what I dont actually have a problem with is a transwoman using the female toilets. I still appreciate he is biologically male though.

You are, of course, free to use unisex facilities if you prefer them.

Eagle2025 · 29/06/2025 19:07

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/06/2025 18:54

I don't believe you. Certainly not if you are female.

Why cant you believe me? Think about any nice man you know. Picture him in your head. Now think of a female person you wouldnt trust (I'm being careful how I word this so as not to offend). Now imagine waking up beside both of them in hospital. Are you honestly saying that simply because the woman was female you would feel safer beside her?

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