Wow. Have you seen all the Pride and Trans flags flying in the audiences at Glastonbury?

Trans have really destroyed the Pride movement. I truly feel sorry for LGB people. They're almost back where they started, with the hatred of them.

YES! Because a woman can't rape me. That horrible female still doesn't have male height and male strength.

I as a hen could have a hatred going on for a fellow hen in the chicken pen, but I'd still prefer to be stuck in a chicken pen with that hen, than with the nice fox.

Do you get it now?!??? ?

Why do you think a transwoman with penis and testicles is no longer a man because he is in a dress? You realise he still stands up to pee, and still pees on the seat and floor, right?

You realise that a transwoman aka a male with penis and testicles who stands up to pee in the ladies makes it MIXED. Which is what you said you wouldn't want? So make up your mind. Which is it?

This is exactly like a hen saying "whether it's a fox or hen is not the thing that determines to me how safe I feel around them".

Yes and 'transgender women' are male. Male sex with penis and testicles.

Do you grasp that much, at least?

It's about MALE or FEMALE. Not 'transgender person'.

That transgender person is MALE or FEMALE.

We are talking about MALE vs FEMALE facilities. Not 'transgender person or transgender facilities'.

You seem to think 'transgender' is some kind of third sex, or something? ??

What about communal facilities, that women flee to, such as the ladies, that give support to women?

Not in Brighton. A woman that suffered severe childhood sexual abuse and later rape was banned simply because she asked for a female-only group session. A male (fully appeared as a male too) was in on her session and was grinning as she recounted her trauma in the session. Clearly getting off on it. When she complained later, SHE was banned. He, was allowed to stay. Do you think that's fair? The centre has male only sessions, trans sessions, and womens sessions. They REFUSED her request for a female only session. Even though male and trans have their own.

You have no idea what you don't even know about this.

How privileged you are. You're not a rape survivor like me nor a Domestic Violence victim or survivor. Males are the oppressor and predator group. Females are naturally wary of males. It's in hardwired into us for our survival. If you are female, the wiring has gone amiss in you somewhere or you're simply yet to experience violence at the hands of a male.

98% of all rape victims are female.

Why do you think females are not entitled to a safe place where they won't be retraumatised?

And why do you think male rape victims are womens responsibility?

The issue is about male vs female. Not 'transgender'.

How nice it must be to not be a rape survivor. You realise we are not talking about the 'pavement', we are talking about spaces that are purposely designed to be safe female only spaces.

As in hot-headed?
It's also getting closer to the school holidays and some finish earlier in the year?
Personally I think there are people who don't know, or cannot face, that dysphoria is a mental illness and think suffers need to be deluded rather than helped to see reality. They feel they need to stand against all pro reality people.
The lack of Pride flags suggests pro reality maybe more widespread (now the fad has died down).

Find out about detransitioners. It will help you understand.

Perhaps watch some documentaries on trans people to hear their stories

'Woman' is not a reward for men who suffer

Yeah, I would have thought so!

I was in the process of replying to say you make trans people sound like monsters but it was already deleted, so either MN agreed with me or someone else on here did!

Anyway, thanks everyone for the debate. I cant carry this on tomorrow so I'll need to draw a line somewhere otherwise I'll keep replying! Perhaps watch some documentaries on trans people to hear their stories and it might help with some of your concerns.

I saw the AHF flag mentioned on a thread, being waved vigorously at Rod Stewart I think

Thanks for the thread. It's been a massively derailed rollercoaster 😬😆

A lot like a lot of the other threads this evening...

Yes not all men.
No to males in female spaces.
Yes you are welcome to share any of your personal spaces with men you don't know (don't expect other women to feel as free with their personal spaces).

Ignoring the AI Pigeon Troll

Does anybody have updated pictures from Block 9

Pleased that the AHF holder got down the front again tonight

I work with men all day long. Unpleasant men, for the most part, in a mens prison. I am also well acquainted with a number of people who have been in high- and medium-secure psych units. They don't all act like Randle McMurphy.

I don't think any of them should be in women's spaces. They need their own spaces, for everyone's privacy and decency.

There are definitely fewer Progress flags around this year.