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Wow. Have you seen all the Pride and Trans flags flying in the audiences at Glastonbury?

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DiamondThrone · 28/06/2025 00:01

No. Neither have I.

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LeungandLau · 28/06/2025 17:42

Eagle2025 · 28/06/2025 17:40

So what does it matter what the current mood is amongst festival goers?

Well those of us who care about the overreach of trans ideology might find it interesting to see the lie of the land, no?

I don’t watch Glastonbury, a bit too bland for me, but if it’s been wall to wall trans flags in previous years and now not so much, that indicated a change.

Nimbus3000 · 28/06/2025 17:41

DiamondThrone · 28/06/2025 10:37

Inclusive lot, aren't they?

Speaking to the Guardian, the Led By Donkeys collective – Ben Stewart, James Sadri, Oliver Knowles and Will Rose

All male, all white.

Disappointing but unsurprising - Ben has a trans in-law.

Eagle2025 · 28/06/2025 17:40

LeungandLau · 28/06/2025 17:38

It doesn’t matter, but it is a good indicator of the current mood.

So what does it matter what the current mood is amongst festival goers?

LeungandLau · 28/06/2025 17:38

Eagle2025 · 28/06/2025 17:36

What does it matter what flags people wave at a music festival. Why are you actively looking for certain flags.

It doesn’t matter, but it is a good indicator of the current mood.

Eagle2025 · 28/06/2025 17:36

What does it matter what flags people wave at a music festival. Why are you actively looking for certain flags.

SidewaysOtter · 28/06/2025 17:31

StMarie4me · 28/06/2025 17:29

Does It fill you with joy? This perceived victory for hate? Because that makes you a very sad person.

What hate? Citations needed.

SidewaysOtter · 28/06/2025 17:30

Treatedme · 28/06/2025 17:06

Do you think the Palestine situation has stolen the attention of any wannabe activist? That the young people who want to feel edgy. Be a bit counter cultural and against The Man, and get to wear masks, feel superior, shout a lot and be a bit aggressive have just found their new fickle home in the Palestinian issue?

Hell yes. It's the latest iteration of the Omnicause.

It blows my mind that they are wafting about in keffiyehs, waving Palestinian flags and openly expressing support for Hamas and setting up groups like "Queers for Palestine"...when not only does Hamas have a shocking human rights record on LGBTQ rights, but Israel is one of the most tolerant LGBTQ-friendly countries.

That they are now "standing with Iran" - a regime that flogs and kills women for showing hair and has the death penalty for same-sex sexual relationships is <head explodes>

StMarie4me · 28/06/2025 17:29

Does It fill you with joy? This perceived victory for hate? Because that makes you a very sad person.

Plasticwaste · 28/06/2025 17:27

SuperNovajovic · 28/06/2025 14:39

if it was truly an omnicause i don’t think people would be getting slaughtered in queues for flour tbh

The Glasto queue for organic sourdough going as well as expected, then.

Speaking to the Guardian, the Led By Donkeys collective – Ben Stewart, James Sadri, Oliver Knowles and Will Rose

Ah, the middle-class revolutionaries, Ben, James, Oliver and Will. Posh version of the Inbetweeners.

If I were JKR, I'd have that pic framed and hanging over the mantelpiece. How fabulous 😍

Scissor Sisters will probably try something. They said something stupid and sexist a few weeks ago.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 28/06/2025 17:24

CrackingOn50 · 28/06/2025 17:00

I noticed another image like this in an article that used the term 'birth workers'. I've worked in maternity services and infant feeding and never seen this before. The cynical part of me wonders if the rebranding of prostitution as 'sex work' in recent years is connected.
Also abolishing 'maternity' as that is a correct, sex based descriptor of women?

Pardon me? Birth workers? As in paid surrogates?

TheQuickCat · 28/06/2025 17:15

NoWordForFluffy · 28/06/2025 16:47

Adult human female.

Oh that makes much more sense!

Treatedme · 28/06/2025 17:06

Do you think the Palestine situation has stolen the attention of any wannabe activist? That the young people who want to feel edgy. Be a bit counter cultural and against The Man, and get to wear masks, feel superior, shout a lot and be a bit aggressive have just found their new fickle home in the Palestinian issue?

CrackingOn50 · 28/06/2025 17:00

Absentmindedsmile · 28/06/2025 14:19

‘One nurse who raised concerns about the training is now facing disciplinary action.’

I noticed another image like this in an article that used the term 'birth workers'. I've worked in maternity services and infant feeding and never seen this before. The cynical part of me wonders if the rebranding of prostitution as 'sex work' in recent years is connected.
Also abolishing 'maternity' as that is a correct, sex based descriptor of women?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/06/2025 16:55

SuperNovajovic · 28/06/2025 14:39

if it was truly an omnicause i don’t think people would be getting slaughtered in queues for flour tbh

We're all aghast at what's happening in Gaza. However, what this refers to is groups like Queers for Palestine. There appears to be a total lack of understanding that the Middle Eastern country with the best record on LGBTQ+ rights is Israel. Most of the others are places where being openly gay would put you at risk of imprisonment and/or violence. Life is complicated. We shouldn't be trying to oversimplify it.

NoWordForFluffy · 28/06/2025 16:47

TheQuickCat · 28/06/2025 16:45

AHF as in the neo nazis?!

Adult human female.

TheQuickCat · 28/06/2025 16:45

TheAutumnCrow · 28/06/2025 00:18

I saw an AHF one in the crowd.

AHF as in the neo nazis?!

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/06/2025 16:43

"More than 1,500 doctors, the majority of them BMA members, signed a “Not in Our Name” open letter to the BMA council, criticising the “very undemocratic” decision to reject Lady Cass’s findings."

These doctors now need to make a stand against this appointment by resigning their memberships, signing open letters isn't good enough.

Time to put your money where your mouth is Dr.

MagpiePi · 28/06/2025 16:12

I walked through my town centre yesterday and only M&S had some pride stickers on their doors. Surprisingly, Lush and Oxfam didn’t have anything. The only other place I’ve seen flags is at one branch of Sainsburys, and that was just a rather sad string of bunting hung above the escalators.
There were a load of posters advertising a pride event that weren’t particularly rainbowy and I don’t think they had any trans colours on; they’ve all been ripped down.
I hope this is the last year that the company I work for has a pride month banner headlining the intranet home page. They did stop being stonewall champions a few years ago, but we had a no nonsense, female CEO at the time.

ErrolTheDragon · 28/06/2025 16:02

I passed by a Pride gathering in a nearby town last weekend, the flags were nearly all straightforward rainbow flags, which LGB people have been using for years. I think I only saw one of the ones with an intrusive ‘trans etc’ arrow (which seemed to have been becoming ubiquitous for a few years), and one separate blue, white and pink one. Plus one other goodness knows what colour combo.

Afewtimesagain · 28/06/2025 15:59

Maaate · 28/06/2025 09:29

This is a thing of beauty though. LBD really thought they were doing something here but all they've managed to do beclown themselves whilst making JKR look even more badass

I hope someone starts selling t-shirts with this image of JK. I absolutely love it.

Absentmindedsmile · 28/06/2025 15:45

DiamondThrone · 28/06/2025 14:21

So where are all the flags? It is, after all, the Blessed Month Of Pride still.

🤷‍♀️ they’re a fickle feckless bunch. Flags no flags pink flags blue flags whatever flags.

But the NHS and the BMA (🤢), TU’s, Civil service loads of others are captured. Too many men in positions of power. It isn’t going anywhere, whatever the kids think.

Still no doubt it’s better, definitely better.

Brainworm · 28/06/2025 14:54

The young adult space relating to what is/isn’t cool is fickle. Nowadays, trans people are neither cool nor uncool - they aren’t of particular interest. Anyone ‘banging on’ about trans rights is uncool and anyone claiming TWAW is cringe.

CagneyNYPD1 · 28/06/2025 14:43

mangoglow · 28/06/2025 09:21

I do think the tide is turning, a few years ago all the kids were so into this now they are all sniggering at it. It was a trend that was hijacked to push male sexual rights and now it is over for them, boo hoo 😂

Yep, my 23 year old family member is fully submerged in the trans life. Now only friends with others who support TWAW.

My own teen dc who are politically left wing, pro Palestine etc think it’s all a fuss. Dress as you want but you can’t change sex would be their view.

SuperNovajovic · 28/06/2025 14:39

Plasticwaste · 28/06/2025 00:47

I've been looking but haven't seen any. Just some Palestine ones to represent the omnicause.

if it was truly an omnicause i don’t think people would be getting slaughtered in queues for flour tbh