Wow. Have you seen all the Pride and Trans flags flying in the audiences at Glastonbury?

Yes what kind of a prick would you need to be to make such a fuss that someone lost their job! I've had fallings out with someone at work once but it didnt go any higher, it was just between the two of us and eventually resolved itself.

I can't cope with 6 music any more. It was a good thing for a while but I think I've aged out if the bracket, what with being a grown up.

You’d be out of luck in the NHS. On another thread we are auditing the single sex policies for staff and patients. So far we’ve not identified any protected single sex spaces. And in some trusts patients would have their treatment withdrawn if they said they’d rather not have a male in the bed next to them or using the women’s toilets. Especially when the NHS publicly promise single sex wards…. I had no clue until February. I still can’t get my head around someone losing their job for not wanting a male in the ladies changing room (nhs staff have open plan facilities)

Not all from Canada. No 9 was a sex offender that escaped from prison in Yorkshire and who the Derby Telegraph reported being on the loose and citizens of Derbyshire were to look out for a 'woman who might be dressed as a man'.

Yes there are some perverts in this world. There was a man where I live found guilty of fitting a recording device in the womens toilets at his workplace.

BTW, just spotted my first Glasto troon flag...

...during Pulp's Common People.

You couldn't make it up 😂

Yes some people are utter arseholes. I wouldnt want to get changed in front of a work colleague, I'd wish to have a lockable space.

Even at my gym where it's an all female changing room I still use the lockable areas and the showers with doors as opposed to the open ones.

The unisex changing facilities arent quite as great as I first thought. This happened near us: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/70eeb1b81dc332a4

On loan from Reddit. There’s been quite a few since the schools/uni finished.

It’s from the Scottish census. About 0.44% trans as total population but that’s like 1 in 1000 because most older folk arent trans/it’s a younger people’s thing generally. About half of that group are non-binary and the other half splits evenly between trans men and trans women. The figures are tricky but it breaks down to 1 in 70 in the 15-25 range or 1 in 93 in the 15-35 range. So it’s really time that a group of that size are properly catered for instead of being shoe-horned into women’s facilities.

Also to say that you’d just avoid changing room if there were people of the opposite sex in there - NHS Nurse of 30 years Sandie Peggie tried that (also used preferred pronouns & name) and still ended up on a disciplinary/losing her job. Kept off work and in the dark for months. All in our name while the NHS treated her really badly without seeing if what she’d done was true or not. Trans Woman (biological male) Dr Upton said under oath that the only satisfactory response would have been for Sandie to capitulate without complaint and change in the same room. Standing outside and waiting her turn wasn’t acceptable. That’s a pretty unpleasant thought that a new member of staff can turn up at your work and make demands like that - taking away your privacy and dignity and your choice. How would you feel if you’d been in that situation?

Yes my swimming pool has communal changing where men and women are all in the one space but there are still individual booths with locks.

Stop feeding the AI bot

Communal changing rooms?

And what's the breakdown of men identifying as trans in that figure?

Where Eagles D(on't C)are.

I wouldnt want to get changed in front of a stranger either, male or female. There are locks on the doors.

Trans people are 1 in 70 in the under 25 age bracket so that’s not minimal. When in was 1 in 13,000 at the time of the GRA there wasn’t much impact. Things have changed so a different approach is relevant now

Yes all but one are transwomen, genuine bona fide lovely ladies. Do you know the one who is a man?

It’s males. The nice ones, the bad ones, the trans ones. The majority of men won’t harm you either, but you safeguard against the tiny minority who might, not the majority who won’t.

Until someone decides a magical way to tell us the good ones from the bad ones women deserve and need their own single SEX spaces. It’s not even just keeping the bad ones away, I know plenty of lovely men. My male neighbour is lovely, still don’t want t to get changed in front of him though. That wouldn’t change if he told me tomorrow he felt like he was really a woman.

But it's a tiny section of the male population. And most men would not identify with trans men or understand them. Honestly it's just crazy.

It's ok to support trans people but whatever you do, dont fly a supportive flag at a music festival !!! Keep your support in the closet!

i was just watching Gary Numan’s set and reminiscing about being a New Romantic back in the day. His backing band were male but wore skirts on stage. I had loads of male New Romantic friends who wore blouses snd make up and nail varnish. More power to your elbows gender non conforming men!! I doubt Gary’s band were identifying as women despite the skirts

Number 16 is Karen White, who IIRC is in the UK.

For many it’s a show of support for what is widely regarded as a men’s rights movement, those fighting for men to be in women’s sports, spaces, prisons, rape crisis counselling sessions to name a few. Fighting for additional rights at the expense of women.

It might not affect one (you) personally, but one can have empathy for those who it does affect. It comes from a place of privilege not to in my opinion.

So yes, many have an issue with it. If you don’t, maybe find another thread to focus on?

16 very strange people indeed!

So hopefully you have no issue with people flying certain flags at a music festival then? Just the OP that noticed it. No one is flying a flag saying 'let trans men into women's prisons'