Should trans people have fewer rights? ‘Not in our name’, say over 35,000 women

Let's give Bee credit where credit is due: he did say 'fewer' rights rather than 'less' rights.

Sadly, it went a bit downhill after that, but never let it be said that nobody acknowledged the things he got right... kudos, Bee.

have not RTFT or the article.

Based on the question in the thread title? Everyone should have the same rights as everyone else.

Nobody's rights should impinge on other people's rights. HTH

Game, set, match!

I don't judge an argument by its popularity, but if we're going to talk numbers who support the positions of women on this board, you'll lose, Bee.

'...most Britons (55%) say they believe that allowing transgender women to use spaces reserved for women, such as women's toilets or changing rooms, “presents a genuine risk of harm to women”.'

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

A petition to stand in solidarity with JK Rowling gathered 33088 signatures.

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/in-solidarity-with-jk-rowling

And a large majority of the UK population support the Supreme Court's ruling.

'The Supreme Court confirmed that when the Equality Act refers to men and women it means biological sex. 63% of respondents thought that was the right decision, 18% thought it was wrong, and 19% did not know.'

https://sex-matters.org/posts/single-sex-services/poll-shows-public-support-for-the-supreme-court-decision/

Transpeople are protected at least twice under the 2020 Equality Act by virtue of their trans status: under the protected characteristics of 'gender reassignment' and 'sex.' Also 'sexual orientation' if relevant, age etc as are all UK citizens.

As they should be protected.

What I object to is that they claim more rights, or that their rights under the PC of 'gender reassignment' trump my rights under the PC of 'sex.'

There is no hierarchy of protected characteristics.

And transwomen are not "the most vulnerable."

On average, two women/girls are murdered every three days, mostly because they're female. There are more transwomen who are murderes in the UK than there are transwomen murder victims ...

There is still a sex-pay gap of between 15 - 20%

98% of sexual crime is committed by men (including transwomen); 85 % of victims of sexual assault/crimes are women and girls.

Fewer than an absolute monarch?

"Should transpeople have fewer rights"

Ah, this is taking me back to some training years ago, and I've just remembered the term "unspecified referential index"

i.e. whenever you hear a comparator used like this, ask yourself

"Fewer than what?"

Oh come on, Arran, 36,000 men have typed their name on a screen. Let them strip off in your changing rooms immediately!

You are comparing an online protest, where you just have to sign your name, to actually turning up in person.

In fact, 3 years ago, there was an online GC campaign which attracted over 100,000 signatures, which resulted in a parliamentary debate on the subject.

oh.... so you have never been. You just assume that women who don't want to be videoed are non-existent.

Fuck. The misogyny continues to come. Post upon upon.

Have you ever been?

I have. You are again posting falsehoods and misinformation. Unless of course, you mean the large number of male protestors who used to turn up that did nearly out number the women who just wanted to listen to other women speak. Did you mean those men?

That would be strange considering you have stated that you don't see yourself as a man, but correctly identify the sex of the protestors?

Otherwise, no. A small number of men attend. Most female people don't want to appear on videos, so are not seen on line.

And if you have attended, I consider that a declaration that you were there to intimidate and silence women as you were likely there in a protestor capacity. Which does indeed seem to be consistent to your posting here.

So, which is it?

Have you attended the events? Or have you just made up this accusation of half of the attendees being male?

I thought that was what the Webberleys and the Greens of this world were into actually.

I don't recall KJK calling for the government to sanction mass castrations for children and young people.

Well yeah. You think the word woman also means some men and that woman saying no means they’re rightwing nazis. You’re not someone who should talk about the meaning of words really are you?

This ^^ 👏👏👏

With every single post, you show us why you are not a woman and never will be.

and should be absolutely nowhere near their private spaces.

So please keep out.

@BeeSouriante You know, if you actually were a woman, you would be horrified about a group of violent men assaulting unarmed women exercising their right to peaceful protest, even if you agreed with the political position of the violent men and disagreed with the political position of the women peacefully protesting.

With every single post, you show us why you are not a woman and never will be.

I know operation let them speak has been coined because of the relentless foot shooting, showing themselves up, lying, and insane ramblings from transactivists.

But judging by Bee's feverish contributions, it should be operation let them shout it from the rooftops, using a megaphone turned up to 11.

"Anti trans rally"

operation let them speak going splendidly I see though am now wondering if Bee like suggestions is a TERF double agent as they’re doing our work for us

GC man talking about the genital torture of a trans woman?

And what was the context? Was it about males in female only spaces intimate safe female only spaces? Because I think you'll find that 99% of the public thinks that male predators, and rapists and the like should be tortured like that.

Once again, it's amazing how voices come across even on reading. Its almost like silent radio.

Except they are NOT 'anti-trans'. 'lmao'

You really want to say anti-men, don't you? Be honest, that is what you really, really want to say.

Did you ever see that clip of KJK approvingly responding to a GC man talking about the genital torture of a trans woman?

No but as you said we have very different meanings towards words and stuff. Looking at the discussions here with you, Bee , I am going to suggest the majority of people, like 95%, will use words the way we do and not like you.

No I didn't, but I'm more concerned about trans activists violently assaulting women than I am about Kellie-Jay Keen <checks notes> talking.

Do you have any comment to make about the violent and criminal behaviour of trans activists at Let Women Speak events?

No, I've never followed Kellie Jay Keen. Why would her views, or yours, make any difference to who is male or female?

I'm sorry that you are so unhappy with your sex.