Behind the ruling: how ‘Sex Matters’ is shaping UK policy on trans rights

Eg Stonewall wanting to remove women?!

there is no such word by the way as eliminationism - another made up word / concept

Did you miss @GallantKumquat 's excellent post above?

Or are you just going to ignore the posts that don't suit your narrative?

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat nonsense, it still doesn't make it true.

And paranoia is a natural result of not listening to what's actually being said.

From listening to them and reading their stuff I pretty much trust Sex Matters to shape UK policy in a reasonable way.

There is no "quiet part". It's all being said out loud. If you were shouting "no debate" with your fingers in your ears instead of listening then that's on you.

The religious far right and aggressive TRAs are the ones that have something in common - misogynistic men controlling and silencing women.
They both concern me.

How frustrating. I opened this thread, thinking it might be about the ways that the Supreme Court judgment is finally starting to shift the agenda of some public institutions away from the warped politics and demands of gender identity and return to sanity.

Instead, it’s just another illogical accusation that we’re far right.

We are at a genuinely interesting point in history. If there really is an argument that “trans people” need special rights and protections, this is the moment when those should be put forward. We’ve had clarification that women’s sex based rights are still essential and in place and now is a crucial time for transactivists to present their logical case on how they can be protected in a world where sex-based rights exist.

They seem unable to put that rational case and there absolutely is one they could argue - they were almost there, back before 2015.

But instead they continue with their irrational demands and pretense that using the same spaces they used for many years is somehow an impossible imposition and that even if additional spaces are provided for those who truly struggle with using their designated space, that’s still somehow impossible.

OP, you say you have a friend who was considering telling colleagues about their sex. If your friend is a rational person, his or her colleagues will undoubtedly take this information as interesting and useful as it will prove there are rational and reasonable people who’ve transitioned.

It will help to stop the so-called “trans panic” which is a false premise, created by the extremists who are the most visible transactivists. They are the ones who are damaging your cause. This is the time for any rational transitioned people to say “not in my name” to those breaking the law and insisting on trampling women’s rights.

Why don’t you try it?

Since the Supreme Court ruling, I've come to realise that I have a problem with the very term "transition" itself, in that, erm, you can't. Nobody can transition from one sex to the other (yes, there are only two sexes). But you're not invisible, and you do exist (we can see and hear you loud and clear); you are, simply, still what you always were. What you wear, and whatever surgery you undertake, doesn't change that fact. 🤷‍♂️ HTH.

Cor blimey

just chill out and use the gents. You’ll be fine

Snap! My first thought too.

Stop trying to make fetch happen. It’s never going to happen Gretchen

'eliminationist's ' is that the new thing?

Maybe you should sleep on it some more, because the last sleep didn't help.

Being pro women just means you are standing up for women's right's. If reality and science agree with us, that's just a bonus. 👍😁

Good morning, @BeeSouriante

I look forward to reading your engagement with all the posters who addressed your arguments while you were sleeping on it. Otherwise, here, take a cookie for your top trolling.

I have nothing against trans people but I certainly would quite like to eliminate a movement that enables topless men with chemically created breasts to wave banners around that say Kill All Terfs.

It can't be that important if you can't be bothered to explain.

You mean like Stonewall? Back when Stonewall had a biased ear at the EHRC?

Glad you recognise the ‘eliminationist’ ambitions of Stonewall! Maybe we can agree on somethings on this thread after all.

Or is it finally dawning on you that you lack the depth of knowledge to host threads where you feel you are making positive examples that you think support your arguments well on this topic ? That your evidence and arguments seem to indicate issues that contradict your position.

Thanks for reminding me that I intend to increase my direct debit to them for their good work.

Thank you.

The main question that needs to be asked of the EHRC is why their original guidance was so bloody wrong in the first place, leading effectively to de facto self ID despite it never being the law. Or is listening to lobby groups ok when they’re Stonewall?

Look, nobody at your friend’s work is in any doubt about their trans ness. They are just polite people who don’t want any trouble so they go along with the pretence.

Yo play devil’s advocate, given how unhappy being trans and transitioning seems to make most people from what I can gather….is it not a good thing that it’s going to be a less attractive option to vulnerable young people as a “solution” to their problems, and they can focus on trying to be comfortable in their skin?

And I s e now that trying to bully GC women into silence by calling them Trump/Farage supporters hasn’t worked, we are now being told we are religious fundamentalists

Well the OP started a thread about the news about India’s government saying that transwomen are women. I think we can safely say that relevance and accuracy are low down the list for BeeS.

The author of the article does seem to set great store on anything the SPLC has to say. 3000 plus miles is a long way to go to find an organisation to back up you're claims, was there nothing a bit closer. 🤨

the gender critical ideology movement (GCIM)

Ha ha ha. Pathetic.

Spending time on this forum, it's quite clear that many people in the GCIM are eliminationist in their aims

If that is what you have taken form your time on these forums then you cannot have comprehended what posters have put forward. But then you would have to rethink your narrative if you did.

(just a glance at the 'do you support transitioning' thread is very eye-opening in this respect).

The thread where posters are against young children being medically transitioned and put on a life time of drugs that will cause many other medical issues and are against the removal of healthy body parts in the name of an ideology that has never been fully explained to them?
That thread?

Religious far right?

By placing faith above reason and self identity over science, trans activism is starting a new religion. They also demand official status for their new creed and persecution of heretics.