@Elizabethbd

The reason that "rape and violence towards women, homelesness, sex trafficking and honour killings" are a risk to women is because of the behaviour of men.

A TransWomen are a societal expression of men. Women can't be a transgender woman.

For women to participate in society equally, they have to have the freedom to congregate without men, to remove the risk that men bring with them.

Yes! And given that TRA's and many trans identifying males are ANTI-WOMEN, I am anti- those people but not trans as a class. I have zero issues with TIFS apart from not sharing the ideology.

I'll admit the one thing that makes the mumsnet subscription worthwhile is that you can pull up all of one posters posts in a thread, same as you can for the OPs posts, rather than having to go off and do an advanced search, it does make coming to a thread, especially a fast moving one, later, easier to see what a poster has then gone on to say.

By the fact that you've referred to a bathroom, it sounds like you're from the USA

@Eolhc1990 has stated that she is Irish and living in the UK.

On this board it is often assumed that just because someone uses "bathroom" to refer to "toilet", they must be American.

It appears that some British people and UK English speakers who are not British do use "bathroom", such as Eolhc1990, as do many US English speakers who are not American.

"Restroom" is more likely to be the term primarily used in the US but not in other English-speaking countries.

so maybe you don't have any laws to protect your rights so you haven't anything to loose.

There are federal laws that protect women's rights, but the US Constitution lacks specific clauses that explicitly secure women's rights.

This is the problem with really long threads. It takes ages to read through and if you reply to posts as you read them, it means you're replying to someone who may have changed their mind later and you don't know until you get up to that post and the thread has moved on.

But, the information is good for any other silent readers who may be still making up their minds or not fully up on the issue.

Good to see you're beginning to understand. Here are more males who put on dresses to enter female spaces. It's a real thing.

Yes. Do you genuinely think that in a world where men study for years to be a teacher or priest to get close to children and groom families that a male spending 10 seconds putting on a dress is 'too much effort'? Especially when now, they are allowed to do that and enter? And no one can call them out? Maybe use some logic and critical thinking.

So it's "aggressive, dismissive, and frankly bankrupt hideous behaviour" to call out transwomen trespassing into womens spaces, but it is not aggressive, dismissive, and frankly bankrupt hideous behaviour of these same males to enter our spaces.

Yeah, I see the agenda here.

There are a lot of tells, more than just height and thinning hair. It is in the motion, the gait, not just the voice, adams apple, lack of hips, square jaw, height, limb size, hand size, philtrum width etc.

We managed to police it well for decades and decades. We had the ability to call the police and have the male arrested and charged for Indecent Exposure.

We've lost that. We have rules in society for a reason. We don't throw our hands up in the air and give in. We strengthen safeguards.

Still waiting for those stats though, I think it's an important point and I'd like to know

Ok well if you think I shouldn't be able to put my views in a forthright way I'll shut up then. Now I'm being policed 🙅

Really? Well I post replies to posts as I read them, and haven't come up to that part yet.

But that didn't occur to you, did it? You went straight for my jugular before considering that perhaps I hadn't read that post yet.

Yes, why would rape survivors like me fear males in our spaces. How sad that I, a rape survivor, fear males in the ladies. 🙄The fact is you post no evidence and desperately hope you won't have your misinformation called out. That, is intellectually dishonest. Just as it's intellectually dishonest and cowardly to flee a thread you start when your lies and misinformation are called out and you flee and not return. An admission from you that you've been defeated.

The person you kept having a go had already said she'd been persuaded to change her views, which is a good thing but youre picking over her previous posts which seems a bit pointless. I have no agenda.

Her responses to everyone are shouty and a bit aggressive though

It is 100% about tone policing, at least admit it.

You are free to ignore me if you think my assertive and forthright posts are 'attacking'.

Yes, quite.

I can't believe it. Being tone-policed on a feminist site. You couldn't make it up.

Offs it's nothing to do with being tone policed, you just do seem to be attacking and a bit rude, it doesn't seem helpful or useful and off putting to anyone's mind you might change. But carry on

I am replying to posts, I am no more 'attacking' anyone than any of the other posters.

You're the one on an attack mission. You've honed in on me to attack me. One wonders why, what your agenda is.

Plus on here

THIS IS SHOUTING

I'm only responding to someone here who said they felt threatened by trans women in bathrooms.... I said I feared men more than trans women that's it.

Transwomen are men. In every single way.

You said they were no threat. Statistics were provided that prove not only are they very much a threat, they are a bigger threat than other males. Then you move the goalposts and complain about the 'interpretation' of statistics.

You just don't want to admit you were wrong thinking a fully intact male in a dress is no threat because the dress makes the difference.

You seem to be on an attack mission to everyone. Can you repost the stats on trans women who do nothing, take no hormones or any other feminising procedures as you said most of them don't.

Oh I'm being tone-policed. 🙄 How misogynistic! Yeah, women mustn't ever get angry or speak above a whisper, must we? Btw, I guess you have never heard of emphasis. It is completely different from 'shouting'.

As males, transwomen are a huge threat to us. And statistics bear this out.

It's okay for you to admit you are way out of your depth and that is why you cowardly fled your own thread.

Her responses to everyone are shouty and a bit aggressive though. It's not helpful especially as she keeps shouting at a poster who has changed her views after reading different points on here. It's good that she's got a new understanding... Isn't it?