Why is anti-trans so important?

While you’re here op, what convinced you that a self selecting group of men should be considered women on their own say so and that anyone who disagreed was a terrible bigot?

Wrong thread

It's not about 'trans' people. It's about women's rights.

Women's rights are created in law.

'Trans' or 'gender' activism and ideology aims to undermine or remove the definition of 'women', mostly by including males in that definition.

If the concept of 'woman' is expanded to include men, women will lose all the rights we have fought for. These offer us safety, privacy, and dignity, as well as ensuring we have for example, the ability to meet in groups without males being present.

The legal issues will differ depending on what country you're in. The UK is generally tolerant and has robust protections for 'trans' people.

Not anti trans.

Pro women

Pro facts

The protected characteristics in the Equality Act are amazing.

Every person in the UK is included (probably by multiple PCs) within the act. I’m covered by sex, age, disability etc etc.

Trans people are protected by sex and gender reassignment (as well as any others that may cover them). Both hugely important to them.

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Was just coming to post the link and yes, I agree.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

On the small off chance that the OP isn't yet another Redditor here on a sortie or has somehow missed the entire debate on how women's rights are being eroded, then I suggest OP that you have a wee read through for background.

The debate is whether women have rights too such as safety, privacy and dignity and protections based on sex. Should governments be relied on to uphold these rights or undermine them by removing the discriminations based on sex by replacing them with gender (Spain, Norway and Germany for example)?

The reason this is portrayed as anti trans is that if sex based protections exist and gender based protections aren't legally allowed to overrule them, then male people of the woman gender who don't want to use the mens, have to campaign for mixed sex facilities and they don't want to. They want to use the womens but they can't and that makes them unhappy as now they feel their women gender is not being respected.

Most women find that very sad for them but not sad enough to make all womens facilities mixed sex, as this means many women can't then use them and these facilities are meant for women and not for male people with woman gender.

anti trans isn’t important and is wrong

what it’s important is understanding how trans rights and sex based rights interact / intersect so that everyone gets a dignified life

and what’s important is ensuring that chikdren don’t make irreversible choices given what we know about trans identifies ( that they are common and usually, probably almost always, short lived in chikdren especially if those chikdren can be kept away from trans-influencers )

none of that is anti trans and it’s very wrong of you to want to be anti trans

Oh man, not another one of these.

’rape and violence towards women’ how can you begin to fix this when rape, assault, and so forth can be recorded as committed by females with a dick? Or when females with a dick are allowed into, or work for, rape centres?

First, define "woman".

I think the "let me break it down for you" thread should be pinned to the top of the thread list.

What @RoyalCorgi said.

Why is trans so important?

Not prioritising trans people in all ways at all times is not the same thing as being anti trans people.

Saying other groups of society have rights and needs that are equal to those of trans people is not the same thing as being anti trans people.

Surely there are women’s issues that affect a larger part of society.

It's hard to think of a more basic issue than the one that tries to declassify 50+% of the population, Elizabethbd .
As other posters have said, if you can't define yourself as a woman, or define what a woman is, you can't campaign for women's rights.

I tend to stick to the simple core point: it is impossible for humans to change sex, so transgenderism is founded on something that is incorrect.
That's not anti-trans, that's pro-fact.
It doesn't matter how many trans men or women you actually come in contact with - it's a matter of fact, not of personalities.

Even if trans rights did not impinge on women's rights - which they clearly do - that wouldn't change the basic point that human sex is binary and immutable, so transgenderism is based on a mistaken concept.

That doesn't mean that trans people don't exist, or that we should hate them - people who believe that the earth is flat exist, and I don't hate them, and they should have all the human rights that any other human is entitled to.

But they are factually incorrect, and if they started campaigning to have things like language or the legal system changed to assert that the earth is flat, or to have school curricula changed so children were taught that the earth is flat and not an oblate spheroid, they'd be resisted as energetically as trans ideology is.

I hope that helps you understand 'why this is such an important question to many women.'

I'm not from the UK either, and when I see the courage of women in the UK who are taking a principled stand on this subject, I wish we had the same level of pro-women activism in my country - yours too, perhaps?

First answer nails it.

These issues - rape and violence towards women, homelessness, sex trafficking and honour killings - are important, and can only be tackled by knowing what women are.

If men are going to be put into the domestic violence shelters alongside women, if raped women have to accept treatment from men, if there are no women-only homelessness hostels, if the vulnerability of women to trafficking and 'honour' killings cannot be assessed because the law does not know what women are - then women have a problem.

If equal pay, equal access to services and opportunities cannot be measured, assessed or enforced, then women have a problem.

If women in hospitals, including mental hospitals, are at risk of assault by cosplaying men in allegedly single-sex spaces, then women have a problem.

What country are you in?

I am not sure this thread is really genuine but okay

1 there's no anti-trans debate in the UK. The debate is about allowing trans people to be legally treated as women which can have notable disadvantages for actual women.

2 It' sokay for women to care about more than one thing at a time. I absolutely hate the idea of female circumcision, child marriage, domestic violence etc. I can care abot those things AND about trans people over riding my rights at the same time.

3 There is a disturbing intersection with many of the issues you have flagged such as domestic violence and violence against women and girls when it comes to trans issues. Unfortunately, there's a not insignificant part of the so-called trans community who appear to be trans becuase they want to make things harde for women or to have easier access to women.

Buckle up, OP.

Anti trans isn’t important and never has been.

This is the feminist board though so the focus will always be pro women (including trans men, as they are still women obvs) and their rights to single sex services, spaces, safety etc.

As trans women are actually men they will be included when we discuss the threat posed by men to women’s rights. Nothing anti about any of it.

Transgenderism is only important to feminists (the kind that centre female people) in so far as it impinges on women’s rights.

If male people stay out of single sex spaces, stop taking women’s sporting medals etc. there’s no problem.

What country are you in @Elizabethbd ?
Why do they pay so little attention to women's rights?