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Parliament states toilets to be used according to biological sex

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ArabellaScott · 23/06/2025 17:14

https://www.parliament.uk/visiting/access/facilities/toilets/

'Members of the public should use facilities that correspond to their biological sex or the gender-neutral toilets.'

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Duckyfondant · 23/06/2025 19:39

messybundles · 23/06/2025 17:54

It noticeably says 'should' and not 'must'

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They can't say that people must use the toilets, that would be weird. No one must use any toilet.

TheOtherRaven · 23/06/2025 19:13

Flashers will still flash if they want to. Wankers will break speed limits if they want to. Burglars will burgle if they want to.

But the laws are there and enforced because they discourage, do stop all but the most antisocial offenders, and permit people to have clear boundaries, report and seek redress when they're offended against.

334bu · 23/06/2025 18:53

People used to smoke in public places but now anybody who lights a cigarette would be challenged. Social norms have changed.
Hopefully , it will not be long before trans people accept the fact that society now presumes that they will abide by the rules and will either use the mixed sex facilities or the facilities available for their sex.

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ArabellaScott · 23/06/2025 18:40

Transmen can use the women's loos or the gender neutral loos. If they're going to cause alarm to other women, or are uncomfortable using the men's loos, they can use the gender neutral loos.

Male cleaners put up a sign to say they're in there.

'Men will still break the law if they want to' doesn't mean we don't have laws.

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IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 23/06/2025 18:37

What will the reaction be when a transman uses the women's toilets? Someone who looks like a man but is using what they should, biologically?

I don't see this making any difference to women's safety. Male cleaners are still permitted. Men will still go in if they want to.

TheOtherRaven · 23/06/2025 18:31

messybundles · 23/06/2025 18:13

It comes across as polite advice, not something that will be enforced.

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I suppose we will now see if men will obey the law and respect women's rights and protections, or whether enforcement will have to be introduced. Drink driving wasn't a prosecutable offense until anti social idiots made it necessary.

Soontobe60 · 23/06/2025 18:16

messybundles · 23/06/2025 18:13

It comes across as polite advice, not something that will be enforced.

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It comes across to me as an either/or choice

messybundles · 23/06/2025 18:13

PrettyDamnCosmic · 23/06/2025 18:11

I don't think that we need read to much into that. Use of 'should' rather than 'must' is important when it comes to statutory guidance but not when it's just an instruction to visitors. It would read a bit too toilet policey if they used 'must' rather than 'should'.

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It comes across as polite advice, not something that will be enforced.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 23/06/2025 18:11

messybundles · 23/06/2025 17:54

It noticeably says 'should' and not 'must'

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I don't think that we need read to much into that. Use of 'should' rather than 'must' is important when it comes to statutory guidance but not when it's just an instruction to visitors. It would read a bit too toilet policey if they used 'must' rather than 'should'.

TheOtherRaven · 23/06/2025 18:00

DiamondThrone · 23/06/2025 17:53

Actual quote on the Reddit thread about this:

"Members of the public should use facilities that correspond to their biological sex" so no change as that's not a defined term, trans women are biologically women, trans men biologically men.

Madder than a box of frogs.

Eventually a few will be prosecuted and that should help the grip on reality return.

lnks · 23/06/2025 17:59

They will still use the wrong toilets, apparently they are all now biological women 🙄. Further action will be needed. Did the guidence from EHRC say that to not enforce people using the correct toilets means the employer might be guilty of indirect discrimination?

messybundles · 23/06/2025 17:54

It noticeably says 'should' and not 'must'

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Parliament states toilets to be used according to biological sex
DiamondThrone · 23/06/2025 17:53

Actual quote on the Reddit thread about this:

"Members of the public should use facilities that correspond to their biological sex" so no change as that's not a defined term, trans women are biologically women, trans men biologically men.

DiamondThrone · 23/06/2025 17:48

Meanwhile, over on Bluesky:

THIS IS A TOILET BAN!!!

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Lins77 · 23/06/2025 17:23

And everyone has the option to use the gender-neutral toilets, so there's really no reason for anyone to complain.

Although of course they will (complain, not use the gender-neutral toilets).

PriOn1 · 23/06/2025 17:22

Good! Glad to hear they are complying with the law.