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Parliament states toilets to be used according to biological sex

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ArabellaScott · 23/06/2025 17:14

https://www.parliament.uk/visiting/access/facilities/toilets/

'Members of the public should use facilities that correspond to their biological sex or the gender-neutral toilets.'

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spannasaurus · 24/06/2025 20:29

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 24/06/2025 20:27

Someone who looks like man, yes.

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Most still look like women.

In any case if a transman is indistinguishable from a man the Equality Act says they can be excluded from female single sex services as long as they are provided with an alternative

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 24/06/2025 20:27

spannasaurus · 24/06/2025 20:04

You wonder how women will react to another women in the women's toilets?

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Someone who looks like man, yes.

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spannasaurus · 24/06/2025 20:04

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 24/06/2025 19:55

So men won't go in if they're told not to - in the main, probably. But again I reiterate, I wonder what the reaction to a transman going in would be. Someone who, legally, should be using that facility.

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You wonder how women will react to another women in the women's toilets?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 24/06/2025 20:00

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 24/06/2025 19:55

So men won't go in if they're told not to - in the main, probably. But again I reiterate, I wonder what the reaction to a transman going in would be. Someone who, legally, should be using that facility.

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if you spend your life trying to mislead those around you about your sex, your life will be more difficult than that of someone who is honest. meh. that's a you problem

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 24/06/2025 19:55

LastTrainsEast · 23/06/2025 22:14

There's nothing stopping you walking into my garden and eating the food on the BBQ is there. No garden police.

But obviously my guests would yell "what's this arsehole doing?" "fuck of out of here!" and if you didn't go we'd remove you and call the police.

BUT and this is something for you to think about. Decent people just obey the law in the first place.

For anyone with an ongoing and general problem with obeying the law we provide small apartments with bars on the windows.

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So men won't go in if they're told not to - in the main, probably. But again I reiterate, I wonder what the reaction to a transman going in would be. Someone who, legally, should be using that facility.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/06/2025 23:24

Duckyfondant · 23/06/2025 19:39

They can't say that people must use the toilets, that would be weird. No one must use any toilet.

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cf ‘dogs must be carried on escalators’.Grin

https://youtube.com/shorts/opMl2F2K8pU?feature=shared

napody · 23/06/2025 23:13

SternJoyousBee · 23/06/2025 22:29

But if women complain at least they won’t risk being disciplined or sacked. Everyone will know that the men shouldn’t be in those spaces.

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Agree. I think 'should ' is fine.

It's increasingly obvious to those who so far haven't paid much attention that it wasn't that women were 'obsessed with toilets'... now that TRAs are being asked to use the correct toilet it's clear who are obsessed. Winning hearts and minds through boldly invading women's spaces.

SternJoyousBee · 23/06/2025 22:29

GoldenGate · 23/06/2025 20:31

Unless we have actual bathroom bill style laws that make it a prosecutable offence to use wrong sex facilities like some US states then "advice" will be ignored. "Convention" has been blown out the water. I don't see any appetite to make it the same footing as eg. caught shoplifting, not wearing seatbelts, drink driving etc.

But if women complain at least they won’t risk being disciplined or sacked. Everyone will know that the men shouldn’t be in those spaces.

napody · 23/06/2025 22:29

Duckyfondant · 23/06/2025 19:39

They can't say that people must use the toilets, that would be weird. No one must use any toilet.

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Ha this was my thought too. But what if I don't need to go....?

LastTrainsEast · 23/06/2025 22:27

messybundles · 23/06/2025 18:13

It comes across as polite advice, not something that will be enforced.

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Now that we've established that men are men and women are women there is no reasonable defence for a man caught following women or little girls into toilets or changing rooms.

There'll be a spot on the sexual offences registry for him.

Everyone got so used to this we've all forgotten how that would have gone done a few decades ago.

LastTrainsEast · 23/06/2025 22:14

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 23/06/2025 18:37

What will the reaction be when a transman uses the women's toilets? Someone who looks like a man but is using what they should, biologically?

I don't see this making any difference to women's safety. Male cleaners are still permitted. Men will still go in if they want to.

There's nothing stopping you walking into my garden and eating the food on the BBQ is there. No garden police.

But obviously my guests would yell "what's this arsehole doing?" "fuck of out of here!" and if you didn't go we'd remove you and call the police.

BUT and this is something for you to think about. Decent people just obey the law in the first place.

For anyone with an ongoing and general problem with obeying the law we provide small apartments with bars on the windows.

Balloonhearts · 23/06/2025 22:03

DiamondThrone · 23/06/2025 17:53

Actual quote on the Reddit thread about this:

"Members of the public should use facilities that correspond to their biological sex" so no change as that's not a defined term, trans women are biologically women, trans men biologically men.

Oh for the laughing emoji...

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 23/06/2025 22:01

Annoyedone · 23/06/2025 20:41

So you’re saying transwomen will break the law rather than respect it. And you’re thinking these criminals should be welcomed into women’s spaces. Why?

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If people use the toilet according to their biological sex then transwomen should be using the men's toilets and transmen should use the women's.
Nobody would be breaking the law doing this but as I said, I wonder how people will react to this.

JazzyJelly · 23/06/2025 20:50

GoldenGate · 23/06/2025 20:31

Unless we have actual bathroom bill style laws that make it a prosecutable offence to use wrong sex facilities like some US states then "advice" will be ignored. "Convention" has been blown out the water. I don't see any appetite to make it the same footing as eg. caught shoplifting, not wearing seatbelts, drink driving etc.

If that's what's necessary to ensure women's single sex spaces, it's a sad day for society.

Lins77 · 23/06/2025 20:48

Male cleaners are employees (and in many places there's a sign on the external toilet door to indicate when a male cleaner is working inside). So it's not really the same thing.

Annoyedone · 23/06/2025 20:41

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 23/06/2025 18:37

What will the reaction be when a transman uses the women's toilets? Someone who looks like a man but is using what they should, biologically?

I don't see this making any difference to women's safety. Male cleaners are still permitted. Men will still go in if they want to.

So you’re saying transwomen will break the law rather than respect it. And you’re thinking these criminals should be welcomed into women’s spaces. Why?

jeezelouisepumpkin · 23/06/2025 20:35

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 23/06/2025 18:37

What will the reaction be when a transman uses the women's toilets? Someone who looks like a man but is using what they should, biologically?

I don't see this making any difference to women's safety. Male cleaners are still permitted. Men will still go in if they want to.

So what’s the alternative? Biological men still getting a free pass to use women’s loos?

Pebbles16 · 23/06/2025 20:33

DiamondThrone · 23/06/2025 17:53

Actual quote on the Reddit thread about this:

"Members of the public should use facilities that correspond to their biological sex" so no change as that's not a defined term, trans women are biologically women, trans men biologically men.

Why is there not a head in my hands banging on a desk outside a toilet emoji?

GoldenGate · 23/06/2025 20:31

Unless we have actual bathroom bill style laws that make it a prosecutable offence to use wrong sex facilities like some US states then "advice" will be ignored. "Convention" has been blown out the water. I don't see any appetite to make it the same footing as eg. caught shoplifting, not wearing seatbelts, drink driving etc.

borntobequiet · 23/06/2025 20:08

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 23/06/2025 18:37

What will the reaction be when a transman uses the women's toilets? Someone who looks like a man but is using what they should, biologically?

I don't see this making any difference to women's safety. Male cleaners are still permitted. Men will still go in if they want to.

You forgot to mention the little boys with their mothers. Tsk tsk.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/06/2025 19:53

ItsCoolForCats · 23/06/2025 19:48

Once upon a time, that would have been enough 😞

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And that's what we need to return to. The expectation that people will respect the laws and not out themselves as anti social individuals who threaten the safety of others - especially women and girls.

Redshoeblueshoe · 23/06/2025 19:50

Someone on Twitter did say last week that if a certain person continued to use the women's toilets that they might just have their visitor's pass revoked.
I think if that is a possibility then he will just start using the gender neutral ones.

ItsCoolForCats · 23/06/2025 19:48

messybundles · 23/06/2025 18:13

It comes across as polite advice, not something that will be enforced.

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Once upon a time, that would have been enough 😞