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Women’s Rights, Trans Rights & the Line Between - Helen Joyce interview

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ProfesoraLou · 23/06/2025 00:20

I really enjoyed this interview about trying to find a middle ground between Trans Rights and women's rights. Melody Rachel, a youth worker who says she has many trans friends, interviews Helen Joyce.
I found it balanced, very thoughtful, and (actually) very kind.

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TheyFuckYouUpYourMamAndDad · 25/06/2025 08:25

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/06/2025 08:19

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There is no link or YouTube picture for me either. Honestly…there's nothing 🤷‍♀️

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/06/2025 08:19

NotNowFGS · 25/06/2025 08:16

I am obviously a bit dim but I can't see the link in the OP

Click on the big YouTube picture.

NotNowFGS · 25/06/2025 08:16

I am obviously a bit dim but I can't see the link in the OP

illinivich · 23/06/2025 19:13

Helen is correct when she says gender non conformity is generally more acceptable or tolerated in girls than boys.

Which makes the number of girls iding as trans and non binary baffling. Or at least indicates that they transition for different reasons.

I dont know how common it is, but a boy who is told often enough that hes a girl for liking x, might believe he is a girl, or can become one. But girls arent under the same pressure, it would be rare for them to be the only girl doing the boys activities.

Yet the diagnosis is the same for boys and girls?

BettyBooper · 23/06/2025 18:54

That was great thanks OP. So reasonable. Great interview.

breakfastdinnerandtea · 23/06/2025 17:15

Thank you for sharing this. It was good to see a civilised conversation with people from both sides of the argument that doesn’t descend into either side sticking their fingers in their ears shouting la la la.
It was particularly refreshing to see the person from the other side of the debate seem so interested and thoughtful and I loved how she ended saying that she agreed with Helen. I think if most people stopped and thought about it, ignoring be kind and no debate, they’d agree with what the gender critical side was saying.

Barearse · 23/06/2025 16:20

Thanks for sharing this OP. I think it’s one of the best summing up of the whole history and progression of the trans thing and how it just doesn’t work for women’s safety and rights. The bit at the end about how to go forward by accepting trans as a belief which is itself protected but with lawful restrictions that ensure it doesn’t harm or impose itself on others was so well explained. I loved seeing the interviewer bravely admit that she agreed with Helen and say that Helen wasn’t what you’d expect a terf to be like! So much to like about how both women communicated.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 23/06/2025 15:25

parietal · 23/06/2025 14:55

Where is this hosted? Link please

The link is in the OP.

parietal · 23/06/2025 14:55

Where is this hosted? Link please

borntobequiet · 23/06/2025 14:40

Watching in bursts. She’s so good -and her interviewer is good too.

CuriousAlien · 23/06/2025 14:34

Thanks. Particularly like the phrase "the patterns and expectations" associated with being male or female as one understanding of gender. Nice and clear.

Gagagardener · 23/06/2025 14:08

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CassOle · 23/06/2025 12:42

I have only watched the beginning so far. The way that the interviewer didn't want to say 'transwomen are men' but later finally managed to say that they were male. Bloody hell. Such brainwashing. I wanted to yell 'the truth will set you free' to the screen.

GCornotGCthatisthequestion · 23/06/2025 00:26

I listened to this a couple of days ago and found it very interesting and insightful.

Thank you for posting.

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