BBC presenter corrects pregnant people to pregnant women

Oh I’m laughing to myself….

Let me see how this goes.

Women: We really really don’t hate TRAs in fact many of us know trans people and support them. But we don’t want men in women’s only space.

TRAs: You hateful bigot

Women: of course we don’t hate a group of people that would be silly. We just want women’s only spaces and our rights to be protected.

TRAs: You hateful funded by Nazis bigot

Women: ????

Tbf hate is a fair rephrasing of really really don't like.

Exactly.

Total denial in the first instance usually quite acrimonious. Over time and learning more any criticism seems to trigger his Rejection Sensitivity and there’s no reasoning at that point. We have to wait for a”state change” of his nervous system and he’ll normalise and often apologises profusely. Unfortunately over time those wear rather thin.

ETA a state change in his case is - immersion in water (swim/bath), sleep or food

When posters come here from reddit time and time again to make statements (not engage) about trans subjects along the lines of: TWAW and other such simplistic tropes, I suspect there’s some level of internal struggle with their identity. If you’re truly at peace and happy with who you are and utterly convinced that trans women are actual women, there’s no need to come onto a forum for feminists and try to convince them they’re wrong.

Yes. This is true.

if it is pointed out, does your DS’s dad understand he is doing it?

Speaking from the experience of my own family I can say that it might be the case here that this poster doesn’t see the difference. Cant not won’t iyswim? My autistic DS said of his own dad last week “I don’t think he hears adjectives”. Black & white thinking is a terrible disability and causes a lot of conflict in my experience. No excuses (and no idea if this is what’s happening here) but it’s not something that can be helped or changed unfortunately. So not always a “tactic” is really my point

Indeed.

Yes, the catastrophising and absolutism tactics are also very evident.

I don't usually engage with this poster but for the benefit of the lurkers:

"You really really don’t like women do you?"

gets turned into

"I don't hate any group of people"

A live example of TRA hyperbolising and inflation of language to twist and misrepresent what has been said. Don't like gets turned into hate in a click of size 10 heels.

<waves to the lurkers> We were once you, wanting to be kind and not really understanding why some women were so determined to not "be kind'.

It must be a hugely destabilising, to hate the very thing you are trying to become.

'suckling on the penis of patriarchy'?

Really? When you consider who is saying that, that phrase brings it all into perspective.

Fuck, that is grim.

Attention seeking and a bit dim.

Of course.

Was it yourself who told a Reddit thread that women like us (those fighting to retain our single sex services) are (and I'll see if I can remember this correctly) 'suckling on the penis of patriarchy'?

There's a lot of people I get grumpy with, but no I don't hate any group of people, that would be silly

Bit off topic (maybe) but I know (sort of) someone who calls herself a non-binary woman. Has a female name, looks like a woman, is clearly a woman. So where does the non-binary come in? Genuinely baffled.

Nothing like a man telling women what they can and cannot do with regards to maternal health.

Times don’t change much do they?

@BeeSouriante You really really don’t like women do you?

Naming women correctly
Exactly.

Language is power. It’s why so much of this is contested. We need plain English for accessibility.

Gender ideology comes with its own language for a reason, as you say.

I see yet again the 'rights aren't pie' crowd suddenly find every fucking thing is pie when it comes to naming women correctly.

I have just scrolled to this page, and see I have cross posted.

The BBC has the responsibility to make sure that the news uses standard English so that it can be understood. And that it is not confusing.

This was also a message giving health warnings. If a message is to be received by those who need it most, then the correct term is indeed pregnant women. If a person who has a philosophical belief that doesn't reflect material reality cannot understand the common usage of the words of their primary language because they put mental blocks on messaging, even vital warnings, unless it complies with their personal philosophical belief, they need to seek better mental health support.

People with transgender identities are people who share a philosophical belief about themselves and it is one that doesn't reflect material reality. This is because there is no biological or neurological marker that has been found.

No other group has their philosophical belief (one that doesn't have a basis in material reality) centred in language used by the BBC where the BBC changes the language that refers to all people to suit that one group.

But thank you for pointing this out. Because the more you and other posters point this type of thing out, the more that the general public understand.

And pregnancy, wombs, breasts and even breastfeeding 🤮, being called a mother, etc are all things that transwomen (males) go on about aspiring to and being entitled to because they are “women” - and get pandered to by the NHS, breastfeeding orgs and all the same numpties who come up with terms like “pregnant people”. So if you’re a TW then you must have these things because they are womanly and affirm you as a woman. But if you’re a TM then they have nothing to do with being a woman

"If a trans man’s dysphoria is so terrible that they can’t be reminded of being female by a general use of the word “woman”, then why on earth have they got pregnant? That’s 100% female activity. God knows how someone that mentally and emotionally fragile is going to bring up a child."

This is something I just cannot understand and I wish that TRAs would explain it in very simple language that we can all understand.

Piss off and read the room outside your tiny self-righteous bubble.

Most real female women loathe these attempts at erasing us from the language.

Every single human was born from a real female woman. Women are PROUD of this. It is a pathetic denial of reality to be mincing around with words like “pregnant people”.

If a trans man’s dysphoria is so terrible that they can’t be reminded of being female by a general use of the word “woman”, then why on earth have they got pregnant? That’s 100% female activity. God knows how someone that mentally and emotionally fragile is going to bring up a child.